Are "black" Americans owed something besides the protection provided by the same laws ...

[columbus]

The Manhattan contract such as it was, was for
temporary use of limited hunting / fishing / farming
privileges.

Oh, stop being such a micro-Chinkette. I don't remember that in the agreement.


Let's talk about Herman Cain. Billionaire business tycoon, Republican presidential candidate, black man.

Does he owe me anything? My impoverished Irish ancestors had a tough way in the USA. But I never got any affirmative action out of the deal. Shouldn't I get a check?
From him, and people like him? Madame Walker, Michael Jordan, J Zee, Oprah, Obama, Kaep?
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

even special status and rights/advantages for Indian tribes.

Nah, the indigenous people deserve it. They were forced into the whole situation by foreigners in the first place.

As for black people and slavery, I think a decent argument can be made about reparations for slavery from the descendants of slave owners who have inherited that ill-gotten wealth. They never got their promised 40 acres and a mule, obviously.

 

[Audie]

More likely that in split-second, life-and-death situations, a cop's implicit biases can make the difference between life and death for the person in front of them.

I'm much less ignorant than the fictional version of me you've created.
American cops decide to shoot more often for black suspects than they do for white ones.


I'd be interested to know what facts you think I'm ignoring.


If you say so. I know you say you were a cop; I don't have reason to say that you're lying, but I also don't exactly trust you to be honest.


Apparently, you think that it's relevant enough to engage with it.

White cops are no likelier to shoot dead African-Americans than black ones are

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

My impoverished Irish ancestors had a tough way in the USA.

I'm so tired of white people comparing the plight of the Irish to the treatment of black people. Europeans discriminating each other is not the same as chattel slavery and cultural genocide at all, and it just comes off as offensive when whites use that argument. I'm part Irish, too, by the way.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-irish-were-not-slaves

 

[PureX]

Are "black" Americans owed something by "white" Americans or the government other than the protection provided by the same laws that provide protection for the rest of American citizens?

We certainly owe them one hell of an apology! But the apology isn't worth spit unless we stop doing the things that we owe them an apology, for.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Oh, stop being such a micro-Chinkette. I don't remember that in the agreement.


Let's talk about Herman Cain. Billionaire business tycoon, Republican presidential candidate, black man.

Does he owe me anything? My impoverished Irish ancestors had a tough way in the USA. But I never got any affirmative action out of the deal. Shouldn't I get a check?
From him, and people like him? Madame Walker, Michael Jordan, J Zee, Oprah, Obama, Kaep?
Tom

Tort liability is generally based on three factors:

1. A duty of care.
2. A breach of that duty.
3. Resulting damages.

In what way did Herman Cain - or anyone who willed or gave him money or valuable goods - do those three things to one of your ancestors?

 

[columbus]

it just comes off as offensive when whites use that argument.

You're really good at being offended.
I remember when you were offended because a Catholic priest didn't offer you Holy Communion.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

It has turned out well for the Asian and other
once-discriminated against immigrants.

But it is hard!

That's why many prefer that money be just handed to them.

 

[George-ananda]

So for any existing disadvantages, just lock those in and refuse to deal with them?

I am not buying that in 2019 people are living with a distinct disadvantage because of their race. In fact, I often see it as self-pity option more than a cause for their poor conditions.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You're really good at being offended.
I remember when you were offended because a Catholic priest didn't offer you Holy Communion.
Tom

Stop trolling and changing the subject. You do that crap all the time just to **** me off. Either reply to what I said or don't reply at all.

 

[Terry Sampson]

I'm a little bit Native American, so does that mean I get a little bit of land back?

Nobody's giving land back. But if you can prove that you descend from a Native American enrolled in the Dawes Roll of 1905, you might be eligible to apply for membership in a tribe somewhere, and you might even be able to get a job with benefits in an "Injun Casino" somewhere in the U.S. And the certificate of membership is always a conversation starter when kinfolk come in from out of town.

 

[George-ananda]

Nah, the indigenous people deserve it. They were forced into the whole situation by foreigners in the first place.

As for black people and slavery, I think a decent argument can be made about reparations for slavery from the descendants of slave owners who have inherited that ill-gotten wealth. They never got their promised 40 acres and a mule, obviously.

Going back six or seven generations about every individual has a complicated family history. Eventually you have to shake your head at mankind's complicated history with people in all parts of the world and move on with a forward (not a backwards) facing face.

 

[ecco]

The descendants of slaves are owed reparations and compensation from the estates of the owners of those slaves.

How would you go about determining who are "descendants of slaves"?

If a person is 5/16 black and 5/16 oriental and 6/16 caucasian, do they get reparations? Do they get 100% or only 31%.

How would you determine if the 5/16 is all from slavery and not from immigration?

How would you determine the descendants of slave estate owners? If there are 100 living descendants, do each of them have to put an equal share of money into the reparations pot?

How do you calculate the amounts owed if there are two descendants of an estate that owned 100 slaves and two descents of an estate that owned 50 slaves?



It may sound good, but it is completely impractical.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Going back six or seven generations about every individual has a complicated family history. Eventually you have to shake your head at mankind's complicated history with people in all parts of the world and move on with a forward (not a backwards) facing face.

Personally I'm sick of America's racial ugliness. I can't wait to leave this country.

 

[ecco]

If having a foreigner point out your country's injustices is uncomfortable for you, then maybe do something to correct those injustices.

How much land was stolen from the natives who lived in what is now Canada? Are you guys going to pay reparations?

 

[Revoltingest]

Not even Manhattan, it too is stolen.

The Manhattan contract such as it was, was for
temporary use of limited hunting / fishing / farming
privileges.

It was a great place, when the estuary was
full of oysters, rich with salmon, sturgeon,
shad. Nobody would abandon it for some
trinkets.

Is this true?
I know you Asians study harder, & that you'd know more history.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How would you go about determining who are "descendants of slaves"?

If a person is 5/16 black and 5/16 oriental and 6/16 caucasian, do they get reparations? Do they get 100% or only 31%.

How would you determine if the 5/16 is all from slavery and not from immigration?

How would you determine the descendants of slave estate owners? If there are 100 living descendants, do each of them have to put an equal share of money into the reparations pot?

How do you calculate the amounts owed if there are two descendants of an estate that owned 100 slaves and two descents of an estate that owned 50 slaves?



It may sound good, but it is completely impractical.

So but you see problems in the logistics, but you agree with the principle?

 

[Nakosis]

Are "black" Americans owed something by "white" Americans or the government other than the protection provided by the same laws that provide protection for the rest of American citizens?

They don't need handouts, they need hand ups.

I think the biggest problem poor folks have is no one is around to teach them how to succeed.

 

[Audie]

Is this true?

I got that from reading a book called, "The Big Oyster"
which is btw an excellent read.

 

[Revoltingest]

I got that from reading a book called, "The Big Oyster"
which is btw an excellent read.

Before I tackle any more books,
I need some new crayons.