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Featured Anti-Christmas Thread

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Laika, Sep 6, 2016.

  1. Laika

    Laika Well-Known Member
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    One of the few things I like about Christmas, is I get to wish people who serve me at a checkout a "merry Christmas". this is a small humanising gesture that is socially acceptable for me to make maybe once a year in December. The rest of the year- we are total strangers brought together by consumerism.

    I also like it when my mum makes those rolls of sausages or stuffing wrapped up in a slice of bacon for Christmas Day. And Christmas Pudding. Hmmmmm...

    But actually- there is not much else. Part of me has wanted to take the step of not celebrating Christmas.

    As an "atheist" (or if you prefer "godless communist trying to destroy your way of life") there is a legitimate case for not indulging in a religious tradition that is weird when it's religious and even weirder now it has almost nothing to do with religion.

    Take lying to Children about Santa. Is it really ok to tell your kids that on the night of December 24th a professional burglar is going to break into their house, probably using a chimney, and as an alcoholic gets so drunk from muld wine that you leave him on the mantle piece that he will leave you presents made by slave labourers in the Arctic and then continue his annual round the world crime spree on a sleigh pulled by a psychedelic reindeer with a glowing red nose to warn air traffic control they are approaching?

    Then- after being forced to sing about psychedelic reindeer for their childhood at primary school- one day your kids realise Santas not real and get the first lesson in adulthood: your parents lie to you because they enjoy the power play of deciveing you so that when they put presents under the tree so you think it's extra special because it comes from a complete stranger rather than feel taken for granted for the other 364 days of the year.

    Just Think about it for a second.

    Then ask yourself Where does Christianity come into this weird LSD trip of a horror story to exploit and emotionally manipulate suggestable children?

    ok. Let's take the Christian part of it seriously. According to the story Jesus was born from a virgin in a middle eastern country after being forced out of their home town because King Herod wanted to commit mass infanticide for fear of a messiah being born and so Mary and Joseph only found shelter in a stable as there was "no room in the inn". Meanwhile, three wise men got high and started seeing a bright star in the night sky and so went to Bethlehem to give this new born child gold, frankincense and myrrh. Keep in mind that this new born baby is prophesied to grow up to become a middle eastern extremist that tries to overthrow an evil empire only to die in a public execution and then be ressurected on Easter Sunday (when we celebrate a public execution and the worlds first zombie by eating chocolate bunnies and eggs. Which is. Just. ....Weird).

    One thing to keep in mind is that the bible does not say when Jesus was born. Let alone anything as precise as December 25th- which may well have been an entirely political placement of the holiday to compete with a pre-existing pagan festival.

    So to celebrate this "Christmas" we engage in a social ritual where, to be thankful for the birth of the saviour, we eat too much, sing songs that have very little to do with Christianity, get to know relatives we really don't like and most importantly for at least everyone under the age of 10- gather round a tree to get presents (should I mention that the trees origin in the Christmas celebrations comes from Germany courtesy of Prince Albert exporting it to England in the 19th century and so has nothing to do with the Middle East?)

    Meanwhile, in America (and sadly more so in the UK) to celebrate what we are thankful for on the approach of Christmas, people do this.



    Can we just take a moment to admit this is a load of ********? If Christians want to go the church and be devout on their special day that's ok but do we really have to turn this sort of mass hysteria into a national past time?

    I have to admit Christopher Hitchens was right when he said celebrating Christmas is as close as the west comes to a one-party state with every radio and television station blaring out pro-Christmas propaganda/ music/ almost compulsively merry-ment. It's worth reading-whatever your beliefs- if you have a sense of humour.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...2008/12/tis_the_season_to_be_incredulous.html

    Whilst I don't agree with the Soviets banning Christmas (I'm not quite that cruel) as a result of that weird experiment to reverse centuries of mass indoctrination with more indoctrination many people celebrated New Years Day instead. I kind of see the point as a secular holiday even if it is about the earth making one full journey round the sun...

    Take a moment and just think. Is this "Christmas" how we really want to spend our December 25th? Seriously?
     
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  2. Rick O'Shez

    Rick O'Shez Irishman bouncing off walls

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    Hurrah! It's never to soon to start bah-humbuggery! :p

    Fortunately in western secular countries Christmas has now mostly returned to it's Pagan roots. Hurrah!
     
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  3. Madhuri

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    I don't ever really celebrate Christmas. I did sometimes as a kid because of my parents but that was a long time ago. I use the day to spend time with my parents and friends. We usually go to the beach as it's summer and gorgeous weather most years.
     
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  4. Godobeyer

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    I do think the West turned/converting from Christianit to atheism!
    So many religious tradition may lost it religion tradition type by becomes commun sense by time!
     
  5. bobhikes

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    What I like about Christmas
    Santa Claus, which is not a lie but as I explained to my kids a spirit that inspires others to give during the season especially to kids, even kids they don't know.
    The Christmas family, Christmas is not about the baby alone but the family supporting the baby. The mother, the father and human family(the inn keeper, the shepherds, the wise kings) people from different positions in life support a families new birth.

    What I don't like
    The materialism, specifically adult gift giving, but also one up man-ship on gifts to children or advertising specifically to children.
    The length, Christmas is a day and I can take the songs, stories and decorations a week or two but 3 + months gets a little tiring.
    The battles, Christmas is a celebration by a certain group of people but unlike any other peoples holiday it is the most challenged. The constant attacks on Christmas gets tiring as well. Hanukah is a December holiday celebrated over 8 days where small gifts are given to children everyday but nothing is said about it.
     
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  6. Quetzal

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    I am not a fan of what Christmas is. This year, in fact, I am enacting a "no presents" rule. I am not buying anyone anything and I strongly encourage folks to not buy me anything. I will be sending out personalized Christmas cards with good wishes and cheer, but that's it.
     
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  7. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
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    Where did the notion ever arise that Xmas is a religious holiday?
    It's about fearing & enduring unmet gift expectations & reciprocations.
    And then, there are the obligatory & hated family gatherings.
    But if we're lucky, there will be turkey.....& bacon.
     
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  8. Quetzal

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    Ugh, all I ever get is a fruitcake. :(
     
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  9. Jayhawker Soule

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    :facepalm:

    Give it a rest ...​
     
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  10. jonathan180iq

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    I have a real problem with the Holiday, but I'm so enthralled by my childhood memories and my desire to pass something similar on to my children that I don't quite know how to deal with it yet.
    I've stopped lying about Santa. (I had a problem with that before I had kids.) I also guide their questions as we watch people scramble for useless products on the sale shelves that they try and pass off as thoughtful.

    It's a grotesque thing that we do. It's stressful consumerism simply for the sake of consumerism.
    We get stressed out because of societal and familial expectations, but those expectations only persist because we allow them too. The moment we stop celebrating like the thing that we hate is the moment that it stops being hateworthy.
     
  11. Quetzal

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    It is a pretty absurd story when you break it down.
     
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  12. Quetzal

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    I think a healthy balance would be appropriate. Instead of indulging in a stack of presents full of things they will play with once, maybe one or two things they really like instead? This is something that I am considering when the time comes.
     
  13. jonathan180iq

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    Oh, I've been doing that most of my life.

    I have a 9 year old and a 4 year old, for the record. And even before children I was celebrating Christmas my own way. I only did presents for close relatives, would forego things for myself and made sure to just spend time with people who I wouldn't otherwise spend time with.

    Even as a kid I didn't make a wishlist because it seemed absurd. We live in a society where we pretty much have everything we want and need. What makes gift giving special when you can buy anything you want all year long? (Even in poverty, we are pretty well off. Think about it.)
     
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  14. Jayhawker Soule

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    As opposed to Goldilocks, Snow White, and Little Red Riding Hood ...

    What I find absurd is adults railing against it.
     
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  15. Quetzal

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    Eh, given the topic of the OP I think putting the traditions surrounding Christmas under a microscope is appropriate. But, that is just my .02.
     
  16. Rick O'Shez

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    These days many people worship at the supermarket on a Sunday morning. :p
     
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  17. Jayhawker Soule

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    ... i.e., if one wants to create a thread to denigrate Christmas traditions, denigrating Christmas traditions is appropriate. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  18. Rick O'Shez

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    A fine piece of bah-humbuggery, for which I have awarded you a "like"!
     
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  19. Quetzal

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    When you read the title of this thread, what did you expect, exactly? It is like me going into a butcher shop and whining because they don't have vegetarian options.
     
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  20. Rick O'Shez

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    Christians pinched "Christmas" off the Pagans, who are now reclaiming it. So there. :p
     
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