Am I allowed to be a proud white person?

[Saint Frankenstein]

As it is known, I am from South Africa, White, Christian, 58Yo, the typical labled "White privelaged.
Throughout my whole life, I worked hard, made money, looked after my wife, children and now grand children. I perceive myself as a ethnic group called the Afrikaner, with my ancestery from 1569 when my great arrived in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck to build a halfway station for the VOC between Holland and India. My ancestors were born, lived and died for self determination in this country where they bought land which eventually ended up as the republics of Orange Free state, Transvaal and Natal.
They NEVER took the indigenous people as slaves, and even though they did own slaves, these were people who were sent into bannishment by the Dutch government due to wars they had with nations in East Africa, India and elsewhare.
The slaves my greats did own, were set free before 1834 with the British emancipation. This was at least 30 years before the US.
As the Afrikaner lived in Africa, they were constantly attacked by the Black dictator leaders of various tribes, and thousands of peacefull white Christians died in gruesome circumstances being impaled, skinned alive, their children killed before them, women raped and eviscerated before being clubbed to death.
As the Afrikaner fought back, they always made peace treaties with the black tribes, only to be deceived and their livestock stolen, and the killing was just continued.

Eventually the Brittish sent 500 000 soldiers to our republics, and we held them at bay with only 60 000 men aged 7 to 70.
The brittish lost all their battles, and devised a plan of "scorched earth", burning all the farms, capturing all the women and children and placing them in concentration camps.

They did not feed them and 23500 children less than 3 years died of hunger. 1500 women succumbed too.
There was nothing to do but for the Afrikaner Boer fighters to surender.
A glorious English rose, Emmily Hobhouse, took on the British government and made the world aware of these atrocities committed.
The Boer families returned to their farms to find absolutely no livestock left, houses and stores burned off, and in desperatin went to the cities and lived in squatter camps as one of the poorest nations on Earth at that time.

It took the Afrikaner Boers only 8 years to get back in their feet, and eventually even assisted the Allied forces in fighting Germany in both world wars, where they were known as the best of fighters.

After 1948, the Afrikaner again gained independence from Brittain, and they made laws to protect their kin.
These laws was to ensure that the Afrikaner rules their own country, and no one would take it away again.

This ment that the neighbouring Black people would have their own independent lands, but the South African country would allow Black and coloured to work in the RSA.
As time progressed, the black politicians hated this country, and started to call it their land.
Everything went back to the age of burning, murdering and pillaging.
Eventually the whole world stood against these White people who was now painted as the most horrible ceatures on earth with their Apartheid laws, which was constructed to protect the White Afrikaner.

The White people did not agree with the old National Party government using illegal arrests against the Black politicians, and communist agitators, and voted to change the constitution.
We were betrayed by our leaders, and we were made second class citisens in a country stolen from us by the ANC.
Today the black politicians and communists allow open borders, looting, killing of white farmers, rape, hi jackings, and the burning of libraries, schools, and businusses.

In the mean time, my people are called rubbish and recist galore, whilst the World ignores what the Black communists are doing to this country and the Afrikaner.

Now I want to know:

• Am I allowed to be White in Africa?
• An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?
• Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?
• Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?
• Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

Now, my last questions:
Am I allowed to be proud to be white?
Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?
Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?
Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?
Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

If the above makes me a racist, please tell me why.

"Whiteness" isn't something to be proud of. It's made up racist caste nonsense. You sound like a racist defender of colonialism and segregation. Your people oppressed the indigenous peoples and profited off of it. You should be ashamed and seek to redress the wrongdoing. The black South African people have every right to be mad at the whites for what they did to them. You'd feel the same if a bunch of black people moved to the Netherlands, stole land that didn't belong to them and then treated the Dutch like non-humans or third-class citizens. How dare you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Me too, I have a lot of Black friends, but their culture is so far removed from mine that I do not get the same experience of socialising as I do when I am with my own people.
So, you are actually saying that I should do my own life short not to enjoy the gathering with people I like to be with, and replace my friends with colored people to demonstrate that I am not Racist?
Since when did socializing with your own people become racist?
What about the Jews, Greeks, Polish, Germans with their folk gatherings, family come togethers, cultural dances and entertainment.
They are all allowed to be Greek, Jewish, german, etc, but if I do that I am a racist?
Come on pal, why do you force not to have me living a free life?

In Toronto, Canada, where I live -- called by the UN probably the most multicultural city on earth -- we have many festivals throughout the year -- Polish, Ukrainian, Hindu, Sikh, South Asian, Caribbean, Italian. I try to get to all of them, mostly because they're fun, and also a chance to get to meet, and to know a little bit, something of the cultures, language and FOOD (that's the best part) that they bring.

I can't speak most of the languages -- but I'm learning a little. I don't share most of the cultures, but I can let them was over me for a while, and try to get a sense of them. But this is the same with people who look just like me but don't share some of my cultural tasted. I love classical music and opera, and find little in hip-hop or rap to turn me on. So we don't share those things, so what? It is not necessary, to know and like people, that you share everything. But I find it is always pretty easy to find some things that we can share. Just takes trying a litte.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

To claim 'Black Pride' is considered acceptable but to claim 'White Pride' is considered racist in America, Europe and in Africa.

I feel like I am about the last dissenter to that probably.

No, other white racists say the same thing, so you're not alone. Marginalized peoples daring to declare pride in themselves despite centuries of oppression is hardly the same as the group in power that oppresses everyone else saying they're proud. What is to there to be proud of with "whiteness"? What the hell is it in the first place?

 

[Rival]

What is to there to be proud of with "whiteness"? What the hell is it in the first place?

As I've said here already, I think it's often used to mean 'West European People and Culture'. It's, imo, a useless term. I read on this thread that the Irish weren't classed as white in the US at one time.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

As I've said here already, I think it's often used to mean 'West European People and Culture'. It's, imo, a useless term. I read on this thread that the Irish weren't classed as white in the US at one time.

Only Anglo-Saxons were viewed as white at first. The Irish, Germans, Italians, Russians, etc. weren't accepted as white when they first came here.

The problem is that "whiteness" is tied up into a system of oppression. No one cares if you're proud of your specific ethnic heritage, though. No one bats an eyelash over Irish pride, Scottish pride, Italian pride, Polish pride, German pride, etc.

 

[Rival]

Only Anglo-Saxons were viewed as white at first.

Wth?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Wth?

Pretty much. Later arrivals were viewed with suspicion by nativist types.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's too late for denials.
You've been branded.
But hey, so have I.

I wonder how many posters who find us "racist"
would find these sites & people the same?
The 5 Best Black People Dating Sites [2020 Review]
A SINGLE JEWISH DATING SERVICE – Learn how Jewish singles find love

I find those slightly odd examples, actually, but I'm not certain that I'd call them "racist." Even though, in one sense, that's just what they are.

I mean, if I were to use a dating site, I promise you it would be one that only included men who are into men. But I wouldn't restrict it further than that. Won't say which colours and cultures I've been intimately involved with, except to note that they haven't all been white. (Except for 2 unsatisfactory trial episodes long, long ago, however, they have all been guys.)

 

[Rival]

Pretty much. Later arrivals were viewed with suspicion by nativist types.

Well it doesn't matter because everyone knows the British are the real Israel anyway. So we're all Middle Eastern now, I guess.

I mean it makes just as much sense.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well it doesn't matter because everyone knows the British are the real Israel anyway. So we're all Middle Eastern now, I guess.

I mean it makes just as much sense.

Of course. Lmao.

 

[Harel13]

Well it doesn't matter because everyone knows the British are the real Israel anyway. So we're all Middle Eastern now, I guess.

You tell 'em!

BTW, does this mean we Jews can move to Britain now while you folks come to Israel? I've always wanted to see Scotland.

 

[Rival]

You tell 'em!

BTW, does this mean we Jews can move to Britain now while you folks come to Israel? I've always wanted to see Scotland.

Nah man you're not a Jew. The real Israel is in Africa. Duh.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nah man you're not a Jew. The real Israel is in Africa. Duh.

Well, that changed quickly.

 

[Rival]

Well, that changed quickly.

Seriously. Harel posted this stupid map some BHIs had drawn. It had a 'Greater Israel' from Egypt thru Cush and even further iirc. It was hilarious.

 

[George-ananda]

No, other white racists say the same thing, so you're not alone. Marginalized peoples daring to declare pride in themselves despite centuries of oppression is hardly the same as the group in power that oppresses everyone else saying they're proud. What is to there to be proud of with "whiteness"? What the hell is it in the first place?

I am not sure the terms 'Black Pride' or 'White Pride' make much sense but if one is OK, then so must be the other.

If all you want to see from whites is a history of oppression and nothing good then so be it. If the OP person feels pride then so be it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I am not sure the terms 'Black Pride' or 'White Pride' make much sense but if one is OK, then so must be the other.

If all you want to see from whites is a history of oppression and nothing good then so be it.

You are probably correct.

I relate, for example, to "Gay Pride," but I've never actually seen it quite that way (and I was with the original Pride creators in Canada, with my friend George Hislop, his lover Ronny Shearer, and so many more). How I always, from the very beginning, interpreted that is not so much of being "proud" of what I am, but that I had no need to be ashamed of it. That is still how I interpret all "pride" movements.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As I've said here already, I think it's often used to mean 'West European People and Culture'. It's, imo, a useless term. I read on this thread that the Irish weren't classed as white in the US at one time.

In America "white," atvleast those on the left and right harping on about it the loudest, typically more specifically revolves around the stereotyped Anglo-Saxon Protestant. This is seen in the Klans anti-Catholic rhetoric (and by extension anti-Irish), its seen in PC Libs who try to say all white people share the same history. We don't. When my people came here, no, we didnt share in full white entitlement. Some long ago came here as slaves (the same goes for the Scots), many as indentured servants, and when we mass migrated here we found "no Irish need apply." And due to that many were building the railroads with the Chinese. Luck of the Irish even came from here, whichvwas actually a pretty nasty insult to imply dumb luck that couldn't have been of intentional or deliberate effort.
Fun fact, the movie Blazing Saddles does make reference to the prejudice against the Irish.

 

[Revoltingest]

I find those slightly odd examples, actually, but I'm not certain that I'd call them "racist." Even though, in one sense, that's just what they are.

I mean, if I were to use a dating site, I promise you it would be one that only included men who are into men. But I wouldn't restrict it further than that. Won't say which colours and cultures I've been intimately involved with, except to note that they haven't all been white. (Except for 2 unsatisfactory trial episodes long, long ago, however, they have all been guys.)

The Jewish dating site isn't racist IMO.
"Jew" isn't a race.
Of course, my point is that a standard applied to
one race is invalid if inapplicable to another.

If people prefer dating & marrying someone of their
own race or culture, then I say more power to them.
Some flavors of racism just aren't condemnation-worthy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You are probably correct.

I relate, for example, to "Gay Pride," but I've never actually seen it quite that way (and I was with the original Pride creators in Canada, with my friend George Hislop, his lover Ronny Shearer, and so many more). How I always, from the very beginning, interpreted that is not so much of being "proud" of what I am, but that I had no need to be ashamed of it. That is still how I interpret all "pride" movements.

That was how I came to understand it after I accepted myself and slowly learned to unlearn the self hate and shame.

 

[Revoltingest]

That was how I came to understand it after I accepted myself and slowly learned to unlearn the self hate and shame.

Had your own inner High Sparrow, eh.
He deserves death in wildfire.