Am I allowed to be a proud white person?

[Harel13]

How about doing your best to instill your culture into your children and then let them decide for themselves what to do after that?

And if my culture holds that the way to instill that culture into the children is by keeping them away from extra-cultural individuals during their childhood?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

As it is known, I am from South Africa, White, Christian, 58Yo, the typical labled "White privelaged.
Throughout my whole life, I worked hard, made money, looked after my wife, children and now grand children. I perceive myself as a ethnic group called the Afrikaner, with my ancestery from 1569 when my great arrived in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck to build a halfway station for the VOC between Holland and India. My ancestors were born, lived and died for self determination in this country where they bought land which eventually ended up as the republics of Orange Free state, Transvaal and Natal.
They NEVER took the indigenous people as slaves, and even though they did own slaves, these were people who were sent into bannishment by the Dutch government due to wars they had with nations in East Africa, India and elsewhare.
The slaves my greats did own, were set free before 1834 with the British emancipation. This was at least 30 years before the US.
As the Afrikaner lived in Africa, they were constantly attacked by the Black dictator leaders of various tribes, and thousands of peacefull white Christians died in gruesome circumstances being impaled, skinned alive, their children killed before them, women raped and eviscerated before being clubbed to death.
As the Afrikaner fought back, they always made peace treaties with the black tribes, only to be deceived and their livestock stolen, and the killing was just continued.

Eventually the Brittish sent 500 000 soldiers to our republics, and we held them at bay with only 60 000 men aged 7 to 70.
The brittish lost all their battles, and devised a plan of "scorched earth", burning all the farms, capturing all the women and children and placing them in concentration camps.

They did not feed them and 23500 children less than 3 years died of hunger. 1500 women succumbed too.
There was nothing to do but for the Afrikaner Boer fighters to surender.
A glorious English rose, Emmily Hobhouse, took on the British government and made the world aware of these atrocities committed.
The Boer families returned to their farms to find absolutely no livestock left, houses and stores burned off, and in desperatin went to the cities and lived in squatter camps as one of the poorest nations on Earth at that time.

It took the Afrikaner Boers only 8 years to get back in their feet, and eventually even assisted the Allied forces in fighting Germany in both world wars, where they were known as the best of fighters.

After 1948, the Afrikaner again gained independence from Brittain, and they made laws to protect their kin.
These laws was to ensure that the Afrikaner rules their own country, and no one would take it away again.

This ment that the neighbouring Black people would have their own independent lands, but the South African country would allow Black and coloured to work in the RSA.
As time progressed, the black politicians hated this country, and started to call it their land.
Everything went back to the age of burning, murdering and pillaging.
Eventually the whole world stood against these White people who was now painted as the most horrible ceatures on earth with their Apartheid laws, which was constructed to protect the White Afrikaner.

The White people did not agree with the old National Party government using illegal arrests against the Black politicians, and communist agitators, and voted to change the constitution.
We were betrayed by our leaders, and we were made second class citisens in a country stolen from us by the ANC.
Today the black politicians and communists allow open borders, looting, killing of white farmers, rape, hi jackings, and the burning of libraries, schools, and businusses.

In the mean time, my people are called rubbish and recist galore, whilst the World ignores what the Black communists are doing to this country and the Afrikaner.

Now I want to know:

• Am I allowed to be White in Africa?
• An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?
• Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?
• Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?
• Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

Now, my last questions:
Am I allowed to be proud to be white?
Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?
Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?
Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?
Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

If the above makes me a racist, please tell me why.

I don't think there is a reason a person cannot take pride in a physical feature. But the feature is not an achievement and says nothing about the person themselves. Having my life saved by a subjectively unattractive person is not going to alter the significance of the act or make them less important to me because their subjective appearance.

I am proud that I have a space between my big toe and the next one in line. I would not want to socialize with those toe sidlers that have them right together.

 

[Rival]

Do you mean you think that my ancestors are entitled to some sort of obedience on my part to the point I must uphold their traditions just because?

You have made me laugh. If my ancestors were here they would either ignore everything you are saying or not even allow you to debate with me simply because you are a woman.

No, your respect. If you want to change an aspect of your culture that's fine, but that's not the same as abandoning it and allowing others with opposed views to yours in to infiltrate it.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And if my culture holds that the way to instill that culture into the children is by keeping them away from extra-cultural individuals during their childhood?

Imho that would be a form of bigotry, yes. If someone said 'I don't want my children to be around gay people' I would call it homophobia. If someone said 'I don't want my children to be around (x other race)' I would call that racism. If someone said 'I don't want my children to be around (x other religion)' I would call that bigotry. In my view there's no good reason to set these sorts of limitations. Only bad ones.

 

[Koldo]

And if my culture holds that the way to instill that culture into the children is by keeping them away from extra-cultural individuals during their childhood?

Then your culture is discriminatory.

 

[Harel13]

Imho that would be a form of bigotry, yes. If someone said 'I don't want my children to be around gay people' I would call it homophobia. If someone said 'I don't want my children to be around (x other race)' I would call that racism. If someone said 'I don't want my children to be around (x other religion)' I would call that bigotry. In my view there's no good reason to set these sorts of limitations. Only bad ones.

I see. We should set up an anti-culture culture.

 

[Koldo]

No, your respect. If you want to change an aspect of your culture that's fine, but that's not the same as abandoning it and allowing others with opposed views to yours in to infiltrate it.

Who said anything about infiltrating?

 

[Rival]

Who said anything about infiltrating?

That's what another set of cultural values does when you force them to mix. The one infiltrates the other.

 

[Harel13]

Then your culture is discriminatory.

I see. So if a man from one African tribe demanded to join a different African tribe, that would be discriminatory?

 

[Koldo]

That's what another set of cultural values does when you force them to mix. The one infiltrates the other.

Who said anything about forcing them to mix?
The mix happens naturally when people of different cultures interact.

 

[Koldo]

I see. So if a man from one African tribe demanded to join a different African tribe, that would be discriminatory?

I have absolutely no idea what that would have to do with discrimination.

 

[Rival]

Who said anything about forcing them to mix?
The mix happens naturally when people of different cultures interact.

Yeah, some people don't want this to happen. They want to protect their culture from foreign influences.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I see. We should set up an anti-culture culture.

Imo in the pursuit of some forms of tribalist collectivism, self-isolation and tradition for tradition's sake make cultures stagnate. Create an inflexibility that eventually leads to its own self-destruction or severe revolutionary movements. You could call noninclusive cultures anti-cultures in that way.
The only constant is change, and the better variety a culture has the better it will adapt to that change. Which is not to say I believe in melting pot or bust. But I do believe in multiculturalism (tempered by Popper's Paradox.)

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It sounds to me that according to you, there's no actual room for ethnic pride because it excludes others, for want of preserving that specific ethnicity. For the moment that an outsider, who doesn't necessarily conform to the values and characteristics of my ethnicity, joins the group, right then and there we have the creation of cultural mish-mash that doesn't do anything to preserve the uniqueness of that ethnic background. As I see it, according to you, holding such a view is wrong, correct?

It's certainly factually wrong.

Look around you and you'll find Japanese cultural centres where people of any background can learn and practice Japanese visual or martial arts, or Scottish country dance societies where anyone is welcome to learn traditional Scottish dancing.

Preservation of culture doesn't have to mean excluding "outsiders."

 

[Harel13]

I have absolutely no idea what that would have to do with discrimination.

Why?

 

[Koldo]

Why?

Because I see no connection between your example and discrimination. Where do you see such connection?

 

[Harel13]

Preservation of culture doesn't have to mean excluding "outsiders."

That depends how that particular culture defines: a. what the culture is and b. in what way is the culture considered "preserved". The old Gaelic Scots may not be too happy to see non-Scots playing the bagpipes.

 

[Koldo]

Yeah, some people don't want this to happen. They want to protect their culture from foreign influences.

And they will end up failing, for change is inevitable. The world is more connected than ever.

 

[George-ananda]

To claim 'Black Pride' is considered acceptable but to claim 'White Pride' is considered racist in America, Europe and in Africa.

I feel like I am about the last dissenter to that probably.

 

[Koldo]

That depends how that particular culture defines: a. what the culture is and b. in what way is the culture considered "preserved". The old Gaelic Scots may not be too happy to see non-Scots playing the bagpipes.

You make me feel like wearing Kippah. Don't keep tempting me.