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Am I allowed to be a proud white person?

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
As it is known, I am from South Africa, White, Christian, 58Yo, the typical labled "White privelaged.
Throughout my whole life, I worked hard, made money, looked after my wife, children and now grand children. I perceive myself as a ethnic group called the Afrikaner, with my ancestery from 1569 when my great arrived in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck to build a halfway station for the VOC between Holland and India. My ancestors were born, lived and died for self determination in this country where they bought land which eventually ended up as the republics of Orange Free state, Transvaal and Natal.
They NEVER took the indigenous people as slaves, and even though they did own slaves, these were people who were sent into bannishment by the Dutch government due to wars they had with nations in East Africa, India and elsewhare.
The slaves my greats did own, were set free before 1834 with the British emancipation. This was at least 30 years before the US.
As the Afrikaner lived in Africa, they were constantly attacked by the Black dictator leaders of various tribes, and thousands of peacefull white Christians died in gruesome circumstances being impaled, skinned alive, their children killed before them, women raped and eviscerated before being clubbed to death.
As the Afrikaner fought back, they always made peace treaties with the black tribes, only to be deceived and their livestock stolen, and the killing was just continued.

Eventually the Brittish sent 500 000 soldiers to our republics, and we held them at bay with only 60 000 men aged 7 to 70.
The brittish lost all their battles, and devised a plan of "scorched earth", burning all the farms, capturing all the women and children and placing them in concentration camps.

They did not feed them and 23500 children less than 3 years died of hunger. 1500 women succumbed too.
There was nothing to do but for the Afrikaner Boer fighters to surender.
A glorious English rose, Emmily Hobhouse, took on the British government and made the world aware of these atrocities committed.
The Boer families returned to their farms to find absolutely no livestock left, houses and stores burned off, and in desperatin went to the cities and lived in squatter camps as one of the poorest nations on Earth at that time.

It took the Afrikaner Boers only 8 years to get back in their feet, and eventually even assisted the Allied forces in fighting Germany in both world wars, where they were known as the best of fighters.

After 1948, the Afrikaner again gained independence from Brittain, and they made laws to protect their kin.
These laws was to ensure that the Afrikaner rules their own country, and no one would take it away again.

This ment that the neighbouring Black people would have their own independent lands, but the South African country would allow Black and coloured to work in the RSA.
As time progressed, the black politicians hated this country, and started to call it their land.
Everything went back to the age of burning, murdering and pillaging.
Eventually the whole world stood against these White people who was now painted as the most horrible ceatures on earth with their Apartheid laws, which was constructed to protect the White Afrikaner.

The White people did not agree with the old National Party government using illegal arrests against the Black politicians, and communist agitators, and voted to change the constitution.
We were betrayed by our leaders, and we were made second class citisens in a country stolen from us by the ANC.
Today the black politicians and communists allow open borders, looting, killing of white farmers, rape, hi jackings, and the burning of libraries, schools, and businusses.

In the mean time, my people are called rubbish and recist galore, whilst the World ignores what the Black communists are doing to this country and the Afrikaner.

Now I want to know:
  • Am I allowed to be White in Africa?
  • An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?
  • Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?
  • Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?
  • Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

Now, my last questions:
Am I allowed to be proud to be white?
Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?
Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?
Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?
Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

If the above makes me a racist, please tell me why.

 

exchemist

Veteran Member
As it is known, I am from South Africa, White, Christian, 58Yo, the typical labled "White privelaged.
Throughout my whole life, I worked hard, made money, looked after my wife, children and now grand children. I perceive myself as a ethnic group called the Afrikaner, with my ancestery from 1569 when my great arrived in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck to build a halfway station for the VOC between Holland and India. My ancestors were born, lived and died for self determination in this country where they bought land which eventually ended up as the republics of Orange Free state, Transvaal and Natal.
They NEVER took the indigenous people as slaves, and even though they did own slaves, these were people who were sent into bannishment by the Dutch government due to wars they had with nations in East Africa, India and elsewhare.
The slaves my greats did own, were set free before 1834 with the British emancipation. This was at least 30 years before the US.
As the Afrikaner lived in Africa, they were constantly attacked by the Black dictator leaders of various tribes, and thousands of peacefull white Christians died in gruesome circumstances being impaled, skinned alive, their children killed before them, women raped and eviscerated before being clubbed to death.
As the Afrikaner fought back, they always made peace treaties with the black tribes, only to be deceived and their livestock stolen, and the killing was just continued.

Eventually the Brittish sent 500 000 soldiers to our republics, and we held them at bay with only 60 000 men aged 7 to 70.
The brittish lost all their battles, and devised a plan of "scorched earth", burning all the farms, capturing all the women and children and placing them in concentration camps.

They did not feed them and 23500 children less than 3 years died of hunger. 1500 women succumbed too.
There was nothing to do but for the Afrikaner Boer fighters to surender.
A glorious English rose, Emmily Hobhouse, took on the British government and made the world aware of these atrocities committed.
The Boer families returned to their farms to find absolutely no livestock left, houses and stores burned off, and in desperatin went to the cities and lived in squatter camps as one of the poorest nations on Earth at that time.

It took the Afrikaner Boers only 8 years to get back in their feet, and eventually even assisted the Allied forces in fighting Germany in both world wars, where they were known as the best of fighters.

After 1948, the Afrikaner again gained independence from Brittain, and they made laws to protect their kin.
These laws was to ensure that the Afrikaner rules their own country, and no one would take it away again.

This ment that the neighbouring Black people would have their own independent lands, but the South African country would allow Black and coloured to work in the RSA.
As time progressed, the black politicians hated this country, and started to call it their land.
Everything went back to the age of burning, murdering and pillaging.
Eventually the whole world stood against these White people who was now painted as the most horrible ceatures on earth with their Apartheid laws, which was constructed to protect the White Afrikaner.

The White people did not agree with the old National Party government using illegal arrests against the Black politicians, and communist agitators, and voted to change the constitution.
We were betrayed by our leaders, and we were made second class citisens in a country stolen from us by the ANC.
Today the black politicians and communists allow open borders, looting, killing of white farmers, rape, hi jackings, and the burning of libraries, schools, and businusses.

In the mean time, my people are called rubbish and recist galore, whilst the World ignores what the Black communists are doing to this country and the Afrikaner.

Now I want to know:
  • Am I allowed to be White in Africa?
  • An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?
  • Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?
  • Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?
  • Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

Now, my last questions:
Am I allowed to be proud to be white?
Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?
Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?
Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?
Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

If the above makes me a racist, please tell me why.
Yes, you are a racist. Your remarks above make that obvious.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Would it be the same if I said I was proud that my entire family is Jewish? (I'm wondering, not attacking...)
Not if that was all you said. But that is not all he said.

He says he wants to tell his children only to marry whites.

He says he only wants to socialise with whites.

He tries to justify the Bantustans set up under apartheid to provide white S Africa with a tame population of black labour, while denying them any share of the riches of the country they worked for, which was taken from them by the colonists.

And so on. This is old-fashioned S African racism, of a kind I have not heard for thirty years.
 
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PureX

Veteran Member
You are "allowed" to be as racist as you like. But don't expect the people around you to accommodate it. Especially when doing so has, is, and will continue to cause them tremendous hardship.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Not if that was all you said. But that is not all he said.
Okay, now if I say that I wouldn't want my kids to hang around with non-Jews because I think they could be a bad influence on them (and when I say bad influence, it includes religious aspects)? And if I teach them to marry Jews only?
And if I say that I, myself, though I believe I am strong in my faith, don't want to hang around with non-Jews?

Or is the following the problem?
Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Okay, now if I say that I wouldn't want my kids to hang around with non-Jews because I think they could be a bad influence on them (and when I say bad influence, it includes religious aspects)? And if I teach them to marry Jews only?
And if I say that I, myself, though I believe I am strong in my faith, don't want to hang around with non-Jews?

Or is the following the problem?
That could be racism. Though with Jews it is always difficult because being Jewish is both a question of race and an issue of religion. What you describe is either racism or religious intolerance, I think.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
That could be racism. Though with Jews it is always difficult because being Jewish is both a question of race and an issue of religion. What you describe is either racism or religious intolerance, I think.
But not ethnic pride? That is, must it be cast in a negative light?
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
I think it is fair to label the sentiments in the OP racist. Supporting "apartheid" is a racist sentiment no matter how you go about describing it or attempting to justify it.

However - I think it should be mentioned that it may very well be that the race divide around him has come to a point where there is now "black privilege" in the country he lives within. I have seen documentaries describing this very thing - that darker skinned people in some African countries are given jobs more readily than light-skinned people of the same education/experience - that the system of oppression has been turned on its head - and it now in opposition to what we in the U.S. are used to understanding/dealing-with/accepting.

If anything, it sounds to me as if there is racial bias on BOTH sides in the South Africa being described in the OP. Both sides are paranoid about what the other is doing, and both are actively causing racial tension and advocating for racial divide. If anything, both sides are behaving poorly. Neither is "better" - and yet it sounds as if both sides want to think they are. That's racism, pure and simple.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
As it is known, I am from South Africa, White, Christian, 58Yo, the typical labled "White privelaged.
Throughout my whole life, I worked hard, made money, looked after my wife, children and now grand children. I perceive myself as a ethnic group called the Afrikaner, with my ancestery from 1569 when my great arrived in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck to build a halfway station for the VOC between Holland and India. My ancestors were born, lived and died for self determination in this country where they bought land which eventually ended up as the republics of Orange Free state, Transvaal and Natal.
They NEVER took the indigenous people as slaves, and even though they did own slaves, these were people who were sent into bannishment by the Dutch government due to wars they had with nations in East Africa, India and elsewhare.
The slaves my greats did own, were set free before 1834 with the British emancipation. This was at least 30 years before the US.
As the Afrikaner lived in Africa, they were constantly attacked by the Black dictator leaders of various tribes, and thousands of peacefull white Christians died in gruesome circumstances being impaled, skinned alive, their children killed before them, women raped and eviscerated before being clubbed to death.
As the Afrikaner fought back, they always made peace treaties with the black tribes, only to be deceived and their livestock stolen, and the killing was just continued.

Eventually the Brittish sent 500 000 soldiers to our republics, and we held them at bay with only 60 000 men aged 7 to 70.
The brittish lost all their battles, and devised a plan of "scorched earth", burning all the farms, capturing all the women and children and placing them in concentration camps.

They did not feed them and 23500 children less than 3 years died of hunger. 1500 women succumbed too.
There was nothing to do but for the Afrikaner Boer fighters to surender.
A glorious English rose, Emmily Hobhouse, took on the British government and made the world aware of these atrocities committed.
The Boer families returned to their farms to find absolutely no livestock left, houses and stores burned off, and in desperatin went to the cities and lived in squatter camps as one of the poorest nations on Earth at that time.

It took the Afrikaner Boers only 8 years to get back in their feet, and eventually even assisted the Allied forces in fighting Germany in both world wars, where they were known as the best of fighters.

After 1948, the Afrikaner again gained independence from Brittain, and they made laws to protect their kin.
These laws was to ensure that the Afrikaner rules their own country, and no one would take it away again.

This ment that the neighbouring Black people would have their own independent lands, but the South African country would allow Black and coloured to work in the RSA.
As time progressed, the black politicians hated this country, and started to call it their land.
Everything went back to the age of burning, murdering and pillaging.
Eventually the whole world stood against these White people who was now painted as the most horrible ceatures on earth with their Apartheid laws, which was constructed to protect the White Afrikaner.

The White people did not agree with the old National Party government using illegal arrests against the Black politicians, and communist agitators, and voted to change the constitution.
We were betrayed by our leaders, and we were made second class citisens in a country stolen from us by the ANC.
Today the black politicians and communists allow open borders, looting, killing of white farmers, rape, hi jackings, and the burning of libraries, schools, and businusses.

In the mean time, my people are called rubbish and recist galore, whilst the World ignores what the Black communists are doing to this country and the Afrikaner.

Now I want to know:
  • Am I allowed to be White in Africa?
  • An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?
  • Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?
  • Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?
  • Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

Now, my last questions:
Am I allowed to be proud to be white?
Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?
Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?
Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?
Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

If the above makes me a racist, please tell me why.

Are you a racist?

I find often a person gets called a racist because they don't have the correct opinion. So being a racist isn't necessarily as derogatory as it used to be. In its current usage just about anyone can be considered a racist.

As far as being proud of being White. Why be proud of a skin color? It's not like you did anything to earn it. One can be proud of being a good, decent person. That's because of choices you made. You didn't choose to be White.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Okay, now if I say that I wouldn't want my kids to hang around with non-Jews because I think they could be a bad influence on them (and when I say bad influence, it includes religious aspects)?
The problem in a statement like this is the assumption that "Jewish" influence is somehow objectively better than "non-Jewish" influence. It is only better to the person making the statement (and anyone of like mind to them, who is also prejudiced in this way), and that's where the "facts" in the matter would find their end. "Better" is a subjective assessment, and so sentiments like this are going to be a slap in the face to the category being discriminated against (in the case of your example, non-Jews). As if the person making the statement is some kind of authority on what is "better." They have their opinions on a matter like this... and nothing more.

Stated another way, to say that all "non-Jewish" influence is lesser than "Jewish" influence is a very myopic position to hold indeed. And depending on your criteria, could very well be PROVEN to be false and incorrect when a person who is the epitome of "good influence" (again, by whatever definition is used) is found outside of "the Jews." Now - if your definition of "good influence" IS "Jewish" - again, the problem I would point to is your lack of perspective.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Am I allowed to be White in Africa?

If you are born with less melanin, as oppose to more that makes one black, you can't help that. So, yes, you are white and can remain white

An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?

No, the isn't a great reason for Apartheid. Education is the best construction for peace. Don't forget, anybody may have the disposition to attack a group of people that are taking their land. Would you attack a person who is trying to take your personal home?

Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?

Yes, there are black racists. But you can't just paint every person "racist" just because of the amount of melanin one has.

Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?

If you find someone acting like a racist, you could try to help them see why it is wrong.

Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

ZIMBABWE?

Am I allowed to be proud to be white?

In the Bible, you never find the word "pride" in a positive sense. Pride comes before destruction.

Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?

Certainly, its a free country, entertain whoever you want to.

Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?

If you do it just because they are white, why wouldn't it be called racism? I have some great friends who have more melanin than I do. They are humans with different amount of Melanin.

Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?

That would be classified as a racist remark. You aren't marrying a color, you are marrying a person. You can be a great person and have more melanin and you can be an evil person with less melanin. Booker T Washington is a GREAT human with a little more melanin than you. Dr Ben Carson, one of the most renown surgeons, is a great person.

Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

Pride is never found in the Bible in a positive light. The Father didn't say "This is my beloved son in whom I am very proud of" - he said "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased".

Now... are you around because the have white skin? Or are you pleased because they are wonderful children?

Think about it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Would it be the same if I said I was proud that my entire family is Jewish? (I'm wondering, not attacking...)
I was thinking of the Chinese wing of my family, wherein many
want to marry ethnic Chinese spouses. Some would call it racist,
& this would be defensible, but I see a desire to preserve culture.
To call that "racist", strikes me as PC meanness.

Btw, they've been most welcoming to this yang guizi (foreign devil).
 
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