DavidFirth
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There is no mention of Satan in the garden of Eden. Later Christians decide that.
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There is no mention of Satan in the garden of Eden. Later Christians decide that.
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Satan deceives people and has been since he deceived Eve in the garden. He keeps using the same lies and they just keep on working. He questioned Eve by outright lying and then deceived her about the only command God gave her. When will people learn to trust in God and Him only?
I don't have to discuss it. All I have to do is post the verses as proof.
And of course we can go into the ridiculous as well. - talking snakes, talking donkeys, birds providing care for people, three days in a big fish under the ocean - and surviving, dead people crawling out of the ground when Jesus died and touring the city, etc.
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I understand what you mean. I'm talking about your inspiration about the bible and why and how are you inspired by what is written.
For example, if I were still Christian, I would be Catholic 100%. Catholics have murdered. They have caused people to lose faith in Christ. They have made people lose business. They have harassed people. They have yelled to people like myself that we would go to hell (and I'm not indoctrinated just went to the wrong priest).
Yet, the Church is soooo much more than the c/ that the rest of you guys talk about it. It's, well, it's a whole lot more. No one asks about my experiences with the Church they have biases and stick with that.
So, bypassing the bias of the bible--you would have to be blind to not read what it says. I hope you understand why people think the bible is bad becasue they do not agree with murder regardless of who did it and why.
However, my relationship wasn't with the physical bible. That's idolism. It was with Christ. The body of the people.
So, my question is--because the bible has all of these negative things, how and where do you find inspiration from it?
Just as a hating catholic would ask me how I find inspiration in a pagan religion, I ask how do you find inspiration in a book that has murder in it. Remember --Book.
I'm not asking about god. I'm asking about the written book. (the words not The Word)
Someone has corrupted your mind. God is absolutely holy and righteous. Christ died for you because He loves you. You concern yourself with nonsense.
Those of you that thought that I wanted entertain a debate about the Disney movie are probably going to be disappointed. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.
I've referenced a couple of times on this forum the principle reason for my departure from Catholicism and ultimately Christianity. But for the purpose of this thread, I'll reiterate it here:
When I was a wee lad, I attended CCD. During one of the classes, we were discussing what happens to people when they die. When the nun discussed the concept of Heaven, she only mentioned people. I had a nagging question on my mind so I raised my hand. When called upon, I asked, "Do animals go to Heaven, too?"
Mind you I've felt a connection with animals and nature from a very young age. Imagine my dismay with I was met with the response, "No, only people go to heaven. Animals do not have souls." Ultimately I argued my viewpoint, but was promptly shut down.
This drove a wedge between me and Catholicism, and thus began my journey seeking paths that accepted what I knew deep down to be true.
So here is my question:
What does your religion teach you about those beings other than humans and the afterlife? Do you accept these teachings, or feel they're not quite right but you follow them anyway because it is a part of your belief structure?
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There is no afterlife and all life rots equally in the ground or burns equally in fire.
In my religion animals don't have souls but since I'm liberal it wouldn't be an issue for me to have someone believe they do have souls as part of my congregation.
I'll end with what I remember @Deeje saying to me once. "Regardless if Catholicism brings people to christ and they do good things, why would a christian want to believe in anything with pagan elements in it?"
So, I ask... regardless of how the bible inspires you, why would you believe something that has crime in it-especially death by means of salvation?
(Deeje you can answer too if you like)
Taking the Bible as a commentary on the history of God's dealings with humankind, I can see from its contents that evil actions began to be acted out soon after the knowledge of evil was unleashed. Within one generation, the first murderer was produced....such is the power of sin coupled with evil intentions, and prompted by unchecked emotions.
I can accept that the Bible will contain all manner of subject matter when dealing with human behavior and God's response to it. Sometimes his response was to shed blood in providing proof of his justice. Many things in the Bible carried the death penalty. And God sometimes used his people to mete out that justice to opposers or in defense of their God-given land. This is all tempered by God's ability and promise to restore life for those who merit it.
What inspires me is the Bible's complete picture of what we are all about. What led us to where we are now? How far have we strayed from the path that the Creator set for us? How does he get us back, what Adam lost for us?
His answers inspire me as does his solution. The end result will be amazing.
Excuse me if I disagree with your initial premise; this is truly Disneyism at it's finest. Do you actually believe you will possess the same-or any- physical body in a spiritually transcendent dimension such as "Heaven"? If not, why would you believe there will be "animals" trodding the "...streets of gold.."? If this is you belief, then God Bless you, but I have a serious problem with the idea that some hound is going to cock his leg and pee on the "Pearly Gates".
It's because it doesn't rain there, isn't it? AMIRITE?
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But How is Jesus coming back on a white horse if there are no animals in heaven?
I undoubtedly do not believe in heaven but I do believe in hell. So I do think all dogs go to hell at the end of the day, sort of like human scum.
Hmm. Do you think that given the events of the people of the bible, the bible is more about man's experiences and how they relate to god (so, if Israelite killed women and children, it was something they felt god told them to do rather than the other way around as many non-christians see it)?
Can't think of how to phrase it. Do you think the bible is misinterpreted because some thing the bad events come from god and not the people? (For example, did god actually tell abram to take his child to be sacrifice or was he inspired by god to where he personally decided to sacrifice his child for god and that's what made god pleased?) I kinda like the second version since humans do the craziest things in my opinion. If it's the former, that's just kinda odd.