Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I think you know what I mean. His anti gun retoric sells more guns then the NRA s pro gun stance ever could.
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Alec Baldwin Killed More People Than My Guns Have
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Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Can we take anything sleepy Joe says literally?
Bodie
Member
This was your argument below:
And you provided no facts
You are saying that even though the NRA offers many safety training programs and encourage the safe use and storage of firearms (which is a fact with a link I provided) they don't actually support it, this has already been addressed. I ask you to explain the Logic and provide facts for your argument.
- What would the NRA gain by more possible firearm accidents? logically it would seem to weaken and undermine everything they are about
I think the problem here is that you cannot honestly say what the real reason is for fear of undermining your stance.
Who needs rhetoric? Just ban guns.
Okay, sea lion.
Bodie
Member
So you have no facts to support your argument and then dismiss the question, I see.
So what would the NRA have to gain from more firearm accidents? Use logic
A hint:
- More firearms accidents will not sell more firearms
Heyo
Veteran Member
You seem not to be aware of the facts here. Why do gun purchases spike after mass shootings? - CNN
Mass shootings (of which no small percentage wouldn't happen if all guns were safely stored) are advertising for gun manufacturers. And the NRA adds the slogan to that: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
What will that accomplish? Do you think criminals will no longer have guns then?
The attempt would just further polarize sides.
Virtually every gun used in crime started out as a legal gun, so a ban on legal guns - if it's effective - would keep guns out of the hands of criminals, yes.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Lol, that's so incredibly niave.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Look at the data. Decreased gun ownership in the public leads (sometimes with a delay) to decreased gun ownership by criminals. Ask any country which enacted stricter gun laws (Australia for example). And besides of ownership the use of guns declines even faster.
But it has to be country wide. Bans only in states or municipalities don't have the same effect as guns and criminals are much freer to circulate.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Just because it worked everywhere else does not mean it will work here. This is 'Mericah! We're stupid. Need proof? We elected Donald J. Trump as President.
It will cut down on the vast majority of gun deaths. Thats what it will accomplish
It's not naive; the devil is just in the words "if effective"; I admit it's quite an "if."
Implementing an outright ban on even handguns guns in the US would certainly run into huge problems. The truth remains, though: the illegal gun market is almost entirely fed by the legal gun market. Virtually every gun used in crime started out as a legal gun.
Any approach that's serious about stopping guns from getting into the hands of criminals has to confront the fact that, ultimately, the problem of criminal guns starts with the firearms industry and "law-abiding" gun owners.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
If you think Americans are going to turn in their guns because of a ban you are very niave. All it will do is instantly create criminals that were formerly lawful gun owners.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Nonsense. Lots of countries have lots of gun and very little crime.
And in the US the main problem is gang activity... it's a social problem not a gun problem.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Suicides will still be suicides. Criminals will still be criminals, no matter the tools used.
And a gun ban will not lead to less guns. It will just lead to more people being viewed as criminals because they will hide the guns, not turn them in...
I lost all mine in a tragic boating accident BTW.
Lots of countries have lots of hunting weapons. Rifles and shotguns that get locked up when they aren't being used for hunting.
Where the US is unique is its handgun fetish.
Lots of countries have gangs, but they don't have the firearm death rate of the US. The difference is guns.
... but let's work through a scenario: take an average gang shooting; let's look through the chain of custody for the gun that was used. Do you think that gun can be traced back to a legal gun manufacturer, distributor, retailer, etc.?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You underestimate Americans ingenuity. If the manufacturer didnt produce arms and ammunition anymore, any experienced machinest can build a gun. It would all be a black market deal. More to the point, the guns already illegally owned would not suddenly cease to exist.