Bodie
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An opinion devoid of facts
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Alec Baldwin Killed More People Than My Guns Have
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An opinion devoid of facts
Subduction Zone
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The NRA used to be mostly a safety organization. When I was a kid our father had us take an NRA safety course before we were allowed to shoot. It was in the 1970s when they began the switch from gun use safety being their main concern to protecting gun ownership.
You don't win anyone over by such histrionics. The observant
person sees that the NRA also represents gun owners.
It has also proposed & supported new gun control regulations
since the 1920s thru present time.
One of many sources...
NRA has backed most state gun laws passed since Sandy Hook
I'll treat this as detente.
(You're too nice to me...can't let disagreement last long.)
Assault rifles are a must for the go to dad who wants to raise his children to be mass murderers.
Assault rifles are designed to kill. Pit an idiot in charge of one and you have a recipe for death.
Who the **** needs an assault rifle to prove his manhood, all your are providing is you haven't got the guts to be a human being.
Bodie
Member
Criminals use "assault weapons" in less than %1 of all gun crimes
but they get great publicity in movies
Do you believe that assault rifles are widely available here?
The laws & such rifles aren't what media lead you to believe.
Nor are the gun owners I know anything like what the slavering
anti-gunners say.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Yep, state laws that have loosened gun restrictions, according to the article:
"It is “indisputably true” that there have been far more new laws that loosen gun restrictions than tighten them, said Michael Hammond, the legislative counsel at Gun Owners of America, a Virginia-based “no compromise” gun lobbying organization. The way a state reacts to mass shootings depends on who controls its legislature, he said. And in the case of the states that expanded access to firearms, most were controlled by Republicans."
Far far less than 1%.
They're hard to own.
https://goneoutdoors.com/register-firearm-illinois-4803129.html
So?
In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/2020-shootings/
So that makes that 1% of deaths all ok, great
The "loosening" has been in the area of concealed carry
permits. Such license holders don't loom large in the
wrongful guns use statistics. We're more regulated than
other gun owners. I favor this.
I know of no instance wherein a concealed carry license
(CCW / CPL) holder has ever committed mass murder.
He said "less than" 1%.
And it's far far less than 1%.
Gotta read all the words in a post.
My reply re assault rifles was in reply to post 119.
And yet you still have the highest gun crime/gun related deaths.
"Highest" only if one ignores countries with higher records, eg, Brazil.
Don't presume to tell me what I think.
The NRA is in the business of selling guns. They get paid quite a bit to help the gun industry sell guns, and to take action to stop laws that might reduce the number of guns that can be sold.
Fear sells guns. A lot of guns have been sold by the idea that keeping guns is a proper response to that fear. The conceit of this fear narrative requires that the guns be kept loaded and ready to be used, and that gun owners be ready to use them when they're not necessarily alert or ready (e.g. startled awake in the middle of the night).
Look who's selling fear....but of the NRA & gun owners.
Bodie
Member
You made an argument that was devoid of facts or logic
Heyo
Veteran Member
The fact is that the US has by far the most gun deaths in high income countries - and the least restrictions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
Facts is that "Two-thirds of Americans now support stricter gun control laws, polls have found. Further, nearly 90 percent of Americans support background checks for gun purchases." - NRA has backed most state gun laws passed since Sandy Hook
Take these two things together and explain why it is so difficult to implement stricter gun laws, even when the democrats control both houses and have the presidency.
Passing on the responsibility might be what occurred to Baldwin, unless something rather different happened, but it is just too easy to be casual around weapons, especially ones one doesn't own. I've mentioned this before - my brother visited and I showed him the Webley air pistol I owned. Since people like to hear the sound of them going off, he failed to check whether there was a pellet in the barrel (there was) when he primed it. Fortunately i caught this before he broke a window or did something worse - and he isn't stupid. The weapon was used to scare off pigeons and I was the only one who used it, such that it was safe for me - left unprimed - but I failed to realise someone else might not check. So partly my fault too.
But it was passionate.