A Question for Creationists

[Polymath257]

You actually don't know nor have any clue how people learned how to read and write and spell words. Before there were public schools.

Sure I do. They were taught, mostly by private tutors (since reading was often limited to the rich).

But that is irrelevant to today.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Tremendous, then how come it was only in recent times that the age was determined as anything apart from a 'few thousand years old'.

Yeah, IIRC, even in Mark Twain's work, "a million years" was as far as they'd gotten by then. The real numbers would blow his mind.

when Elvis died

He died a few months before I was born. I was technically HERE, just in mom's womb.

Were you there when Jesus was born?

Was anyone who wrote the texts? I don't remember seeing Mary or Joseph or some shepherds or some astrologists write anything.

But it isn't the role of the public schools to teach your religion.

My teachers could barely spell (the only ones with any kind of standards of knowledge were those who also taught college, as I went to both their high school AND community college classes). Do we trust them helping with your child's SOUL?

 

[Tiberius]

I don't have prove anything, if you believe that you got a live elephant in your bedroom.
So what's that to me.

Your sure not making any sense.

What makes you think I should care what you got in your bedroom. Unto which I could careless.

Okay then.

Now imagine that you have all the politicians and lawmakers in your country, who all believe that there is an elephant in your bedroom, and imagine that they base their laws on what they claim the elephant tells them.

You even get politicians saying, "The elephant wants me to run for president. The elephant wants war with North Korea."

Would you think this is a good thing, or would such behaviour worry you?

 

[Tiberius]

I didn't insist nothing, are you paying attention or is that too hard for you.

I said if people want to be taught in school about the bible, No one's forcing anyone to take up that class.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone else has to.

And what about the tax exempt status?

BTW, America has a separation of church and state, so a state run school CAN'T let one religion be taught unless they teach ALL religions. And yet most people who want Christianity taught in schools don't want Islam taught there. Funny that...

 

[Tiberius]

So you say. You claim contradictions and myths, which proves nothing, only that you have no understanding what your talking about.

People can disagree with you and still know what they're talking about. It's rather arrogant to say, "That person is wrong. I know this for a fact because they disagree with me. Because I've gotta be right."

 

[Hockeycowboy]

When we compare human DNA with the DNA of chimps and bonobos, we see 98-99% similarity. When we compare with other apes, such as gorillas, slightly less, and slightly less still for orangutans and other monkeys (if my memory is correct). The similarities decrease when we look at other mammals to around 80-something percent for dogs and maybe around 70-ish for mice (these are rough figures from my memory, but the general idea is correct). As we move toward other taxonomic groups of animals other than other mammals, we see increasingly less similarity. In other words, DNA analysis is confirming previous assumptions about genetic relationships based upon morphology (appearance). How can you reconcile this data with intelligent design? Genetic similarities clearly indicate common ancestry, with closer genetic relationships (higher percentage of DNA in common) indicating more recent common ancestry, and lower percentages of DNA in common indicating more distant common ancestry. All of this makes perfect sense under evolutionary theory, but no sense at all if species were intelligently designed.

.....and 50% with a banana. What's that imply?

It simply indicates that there is only one Giver of Life, who prefers using DNA as His building material for self-replicating life-forms.

Yes, we as humans may be genetically similar to the apes, but in comparing our capacities for reasoning, employing abstract and civil judgments, and possessing sentience, the gulf is HUGE!! No comparison

 

[Tiberius]

.....and 50% with a banana. What's that imply?

It simply indicates that there is only one Giver of Life, who prefers using DNA as His building material for self-replicating life-forms.

Yes, we as humans may be genetically similar to the apes, but in comparing our capacities for reasoning, employing abstract and civil judgments, and possessing sentience, the gulf is HUGE!! No comparison

Or it implies Common Descent with Nested Hierarchy, which fits the evidence much better.

I mean, how does creationism explain why dolphins and whales have lungs instead of gills? We know that gills will work on creatures like that, because we have sharks.

That's like building a vehicle to carry people around like a bus, but giving it stilts instead of wheels.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

.....and 50% with a banana. What's that imply?

That we share common ancestry.

It simply indicates that there is only one Giver of Life, who prefers using DNA as His building material for self-replicating life-forms.

How does it indicate that? A creator could create life in any form, so how can a specific form be indicitative of design?

Yes, we as humans may be genetically similar to the apes, but in comparing our capacities for reasoning, employing abstract and civil judgments, and possessing sentience, the gulf is HUGE!! No comparison

But that difference comes about as a result of only one small difference - how our brains work and provides us with a capacity for self-awareness and understanding of symbols. All it really shows is that a tiny genetic difference can produce significant changes over time, which is evidence in favour of evolution.

 

[Polymath257]

.....and 50% with a banana. What's that imply?

That both plants and animals are eucaryotes and thereby have 50% similarity of the genes. The point is that basic cellular mechanism for metabolism are the same in plants and animals.

It simply indicates that there is only one Giver of Life, who prefers using DNA as His building material for self-replicating life-forms.

Except that violates such aspects as the fossil record, the nested hierarchy, the fact that there are mutations, etc.

Yes, we as humans may be genetically similar to the apes, but in comparing our capacities for reasoning, employing abstract and civil judgments, and possessing sentience, the gulf is HUGE!! No comparison

Yes, in one special ability, we do very well. Our brains have expanded compared to the other great apes. Of that there is no debate. That doesn't mean we are not descended from other great apes (not the modern ones, mind you).