A call to atheists...let's have at the Ten Commandments

[Deeje]

This seems quite twisted and vile to me, though I appreciated greatly the writing and work you put in the writing. It reminds me of the sort of ideas Nazis had about killing and wiping out the Jews to wipe out the Jewish mentality from them and their children.

This is the Creator you are speaking about, not some flawed evil human out for world dominance and abusing his power.
God had a purpose for our existence and wicked humanity is standing in the way of it being carried out.....Their flaws are theirs, brought about by their own very unwise decisions......he has allowed humanity more than enough time to see the folly of trying to rule themselves without him......this is why he has to step in soon and rid the world of those who wish to do harm. If he doesn't we are on a path to environmental destruction and extinction of all life on this planet. Never before in human history has the human race possessed the power to destroy the earth and every living thing on it. (Revelation 11:18)

The personal hatred of the Jews by Hitler would have amounted to nothing unless his henchmen shared his evil mentality, goals and ambitions.
To equate God with Hitler is a very twisted version of things IMV.
One has the legal right as Universal Sovereign to carry out his will as he sees fit...he needs no one's approval or permission......the other had an agenda that was to promote himself as a German version of Jesus Christ. Salvation was to come through his Arian race and his Third Reich. Nothing remotely alike.

Tyrannical Despot only applies to taking away children from bad parents and not slitting their throats and "dashing them against rocks"?

What on earth are you talking about? Do you have any idea of the circumstances surrounding your erroneous reference? You act as if God commanded it.....he foretold it....the prophet who brought that message was reduced to tears at the very thought of it....but God did not cause it, he did not prevent it either.

The Jews had failed to honor their covenant to worship YHWH exclusively....there was no toleration for the worship of other gods because they had already agreed NOT to do that as one of the foremost terms of that agreement. It was the first of the 10 Commandments. But Israel fell to worshipping Baal. This resulted in God withdrawing from them and he did not prevent what happened to them because they had brought it on themselves. When Israel was faithful, no force on earth could conquer them or cause harm to them. They lost God's protection because they were disobedient. What happened to them was at the hands of those who were not worshippers of the true God. They had no compunction about killing babies in a violent manner. Israel's laws would have prevented them from carrying out anything that heinous.

In the instances where God brought destruction on the wicked, it was mercifully quick.
We also have to remember that God has power over death. He can restore it as easily as he takes it.
There is no afterlife spoken of in the Bible so the dead are not suffering somewhere....they are in an unconscious state. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10; John 5:28-29)

A person should commit a crime before they get the judge, jury, and executioner, no? What crime have the children committed? Yes, its justice to wait, or else I can just burn your house down and wipe out your whole family and relatives and say "Well, you were about to do something bad surely" like the Minority Report.

You forget that God can see 'the end from the beginning' (Isaiah 46:10).....he can choose to know what every human will become.....as he did with Abraham and his bargaining with God over Sodom and Gomorrah. God would have spared the cities even if there was 10 righteous people in them......God knew that there weren't any.
Same in Noah's day.....God is not unrighteous.....humans are just not privy to all the details. Too many judge by what they think they know.....and judge God as if he was a flawed human...big mistake IMO.

Do you even think about the implications of what you are saying?

I do indeed, but I don;t think you do. You seem very quick to throw the God of the Bible under the bus and then create another god who is much more appealing to you......of course, you have that freedom and God will not prevent you from making your choices....just remember that every decision we make, especially if it is judged on a false premise, will be judged by God's standards one day, not ours. Do we really have all the details? (Proverbs 18:13)

Can you imagine a villain or a villainous people sitting among themselves and conjuring up a story to justify baby murders en-masse and then convincing you many hundreds and even thousands of years later that their evil deeds were sovereign, rightful, and divine?

baby murderers?...yep.....and all those ignorant fools who want to judge God by their own standards. We choose what we want to believe. I just wish you knew what you were talking about....

I think none of these things even bother you or penetrate your senses though, because you can't let go of what is clearly Satan's Book of Wickedness that lies about God, God's Nature, God's Commands, and promotes and justifies villainy and filthy immorality as if God told them to do it, and dupes generations of people who can't simply say No! Hell No!.

If you say so......we will all know soon enough I guess.

 

[rational experiences]

If science says the bible a book and DATA was written with a future inference to UFO radiation mass stopping, as an Earth science activated attack.

Then they did quote it.

They also quoted and so "never name God or give God a name again". As a science practice, how to remove God from being present.

Present for God is STONE...the ONE body of the gas/spirits that once were burning gas light...alive, died and went cold, then became stone and are entombed...spirit of God, the stone as science taught.

One held fixed position...O a planet. Stone x mass.

Then science says my science is fixed, Numbers...sequences as applied by my bio conscious presence, the inventor by mass amount of males, the brotherhood of selves first living on Earth....as the story says, we lived first on Earth as males before any female or animal.

And were documenting truth, spiritual known history.

Were living with the spirit already sacrificed, and less than self, having entered the Earth atmospheric gases in a higher radiation history.....so that spirit already converted into the body of Nature.....not at all reverenced as being HOLY in science.

For you look back to God the Earth a BARE BODY stone face..as God in space....then say, I will attack cold zero FUSION of mass.

And then what is living on the ground gets attacked.

So in modern times males psyche conscious taught...science he says stops the attack of the PHI crop circles at the ground mass.....yet the main ground fission reaction is done and controlled inside of his science owned machine power plant.

Science, a ONE of only condition, one machine cause.

In the past science says I owned 2 machines...a Temple machine communicating to a pyramid machine.

In our life MULTI machines communicating direct through our bodies.

Oh says the Destroyer mentality....have humans aligned to machine communication attack already.....lets change those radio wave/radiation signals and see if we can sacrifice them again, like they did in the past.

Is Jesus real they ask...did it really happen, was Jesus a human or just some science theory for the Temples? As the sort of occult mentality that science owns.

Science is a theist...science is the occult, science against God holy body and the human man/holy image, made in the IMAGE of God ground fission reaction historically has not only changed the ground fission and increased its attack, why science owns the creation of SINK holes, the UFO that was cooling its mass, has shifted its TIME body evolution/healing....and is returning back in time by machine, as time shifting machination to a past where it destroyed all life on Earth.

And then dinosaurs lived after as mutated Nature.

The Time shifting idealism occurs to the mass of radiation, changing from cold held God fused radiation of a non ground fission circumstance, to the ground opening up in higher amounts of received radiation by UFO history.

We see it occur, we know science caused it and they claim, I am just experimenting to learn how to create/invent God...as if God does not exist.

Which takes us back to the conscious teachings about Destroyer mentality.

In the state nothing brother scientist does consciousness exist?

No.....then nor would you...as a thinker....statement and self teaching to self scientist.

If you themed God did not exist, when stone does Exist...would you not make sink holes as if God is nothing?

The answer for an intelligent mind would be yes.....by theists who claim I know it all would argue.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

This is the Creator you are speaking about, not some flawed evil human out for world dominance and abusing his power.
God had a purpose for our existence and wicked humanity is standing in the way of it being carried out.....
There is no afterlife spoken of in the Bible so the dead are not suffering somewhere....they are in an unconscious state. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10; John 5:28-29)

You forget that God can see 'the end from the beginning' (Isaiah 46:10).....he can choose to know what every human will become.....as he did with Abraham and his bargaining with God over Sodom and Gomorrah. God would have spared the cities even if there was 10 righteous people in them......God knew that there weren't any.
Same in Noah's day.....God is not unrighteous.....humans are just not privy to all the details. Too many judge by what they think they know.....and judge God as if he was a flawed human...big mistake IMO.

I do indeed, but I don;t think you do. You seem very quick to throw the God of the Bible under the bus and then create another god who is much more appealing to you......of course, you have that freedom and God will not prevent you from making your choices....just remember that every decision we make, especially if it is judged on a false premise, will be judged by God's standards one day, not ours. Do we really have all the details? (Proverbs 18:13)

baby murderers?...yep.....and all those ignorant fools who want to judge God by their own standards. We choose what we want to believe. I just wish you knew what you were talking about....

If you say so......we will all know soon enough I guess.

This is the Creator you are speaking about, not some flawed evil human out for world dominance and abusing his power.
God had a purpose for our existence and wicked humanity is standing in the way of it being carried out.....Their flaws are theirs, brought about by their own very unwise decisions......he has allowed humanity more than enough time to see the folly of trying to rule themselves without him......this is why he has to step in soon and rid the world of those who wish to do harm. If he doesn't we are on a path to environmental destruction and extinction of all life on this planet. Never before in human history has the human race possessed the power to destroy the earth and every living thing on it. (Revelation 11:18)

The personal hatred of the Jews by Hitler would have amounted to nothing unless his henchmen shared his evil mentality, goals and ambitions.
To equate God with Hitler is a very twisted version of things IMV.
One has the legal right as Universal Sovereign to carry out his will as he sees fit...he needs no one's approval or permission......the other had an agenda that was to promote himself as a German version of Jesus Christ. Salvation was to come through his Arian race and his Third Reich. Nothing remotely alike.



What on earth are you talking about? Do you have any idea of the circumstances surrounding your erroneous reference? You act as if God commanded it.....he foretold it....the prophet who brought that message was reduced to tears at the very thought of it....but God did not cause it, he did not prevent it either.

The Jews had failed to honor their covenant to worship YHWH exclusively....there was no toleration for the worship of other gods because they had already agreed NOT to do that as one of the foremost terms of that agreement. It was the first of the 10 Commandments. But Israel fell to worshipping Baal. This resulted in God withdrawing from them and he did not prevent what happened to them because they had brought it on themselves. When Israel was faithful, no force on earth could conquer them or cause harm to them. They lost God's protection because they were disobedient. What happened to them was at the hands of those who were not worshippers of the true God. They had no compunction about killing babies in a violent manner. Israel's laws would have prevented them from carrying out anything that heinous.

In the instances where God brought destruction on the wicked, it was mercifully quick.
We also have to remember that God has power over death. He can restore it as easily as he takes it.
There is no afterlife spoken of in the Bible so the dead are not suffering somewhere....they are in an unconscious state. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10; John 5:28-29)

You forget that God can see 'the end from the beginning' (Isaiah 46:10).....he can choose to know what every human will become.....as he did with Abraham and his bargaining with God over Sodom and Gomorrah. God would have spared the cities even if there was 10 righteous people in them......God knew that there weren't any.
Same in Noah's day.....God is not unrighteous.....humans are just not privy to all the details. Too many judge by what they think they know.....and judge God as if he was a flawed human...big mistake IMO.

I do indeed, but I don;t think you do. You seem very quick to throw the God of the Bible under the bus and then create another god who is much more appealing to you......of course, you have that freedom and God will not prevent you from making your choices....just remember that every decision we make, especially if it is judged on a false premise, will be judged by God's standards one day, not ours. Do we really have all the details? (Proverbs 18:13)
baby murderers?...yep.....and all those ignorant fools who want to judge God by their own standards. We choose what we want to believe. I just wish you knew what you were talking about....
If you say so......we will all know soon enough I guess.

I thought I knew what I was talking about! You say its the creator I'm talking about! Why? Because your Mommy and Daddy and Pastor and Priest and your Brain and some Jewish folks Said So?

You say that God didn't command, but God has the right to command injustice, yet you can't believe that these are merely lies written by criminal human murderers proclaiming it is God commanding it? Oh, I don't know what I'm talking about? I HATE, HATE!!!!!!!! Having to look up verses constantly for people who say I don't know what I'm talking about! Lol at www.bible.cc a great resource! Bible Hub!

This is just some of what I'm talking about:

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

Is that God Commanding it or just a Murderous Lunatic that you for whatever reason (Your Mommy) believe that God inspired and commanded such.

When the task wasn't completed properly, God "regretted / lamemted" yeah the one with Future Vision you described, the one the Jewish people are slandering in this book of Lies you adore, and then the spared King got chopped up into little bits to make Khorne the Blood God happy, or are these lies by a lying and wicked folk? Yet you believe it as the word of God with no cause to believe such wickedness is the Word of God.

Did you forget these parts or you just choose to act like I am making it up? These are liars who wrote lies, the Bible itself says so about the lying pen of the scribes? Do I have to go look it up for you too or God putting lies into the mouths of the Prophets? Sending Evil Spirits upon people? Want me to look it all up or do you believe that I know the Bible and will produce those quotes? Why couldn't your Mommy have just told you to trust me instead of Ancient Murderous Vile Lying Human Filth?

Numbers 31:17
Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,

Psalm 137:9
Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

Look at this Wise Judge, Look how he cares and respects his own, look at this book you give to your family, friends, and children, and defend, aren't you thus as Rotten and Vile as its Lying, Thieving, Tricking, Despicable "Heroes"?:

Judges 19:24
Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them (rape them) and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don't do such an outrageous thing (as to rape him as you requested)."
Judges 19:25
But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.
Judges 19:26
At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight
Judges 19:27
When her husband got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold
Judges 19:28
He said, “Get up! Let’s go!” But there was no answer. So he put her body on his donkey and took her home.
Judges 19:29
When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

Judges 20:4
So the Levite, the husband of the murdered woman, said, "I and my concubine came to Gibeah in Benjamin to spend the night.

Anyway, this is a hideous tale from your beloved book of pornography.

Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals (Members, Dicks) were like those of donkeys and whose emission (Cumming, Ejaculation) was like that of horses.

If you love this book, theres a big fire waiting for you and this book you love so much.

Abandon this Filth. Abandon the Devil's Bloody Book! What the Hell is wrong with you that you dare allow this vile trash in yourself or your family? Are you some kind of Pervert?

Abraham Lies Cheats Steals Pimps Out His Wife Tricks People to get his Wealth then says "No I didn't lie, my wife Really Is My Sister He He He" then Lot is raped by both his daughters in some more steamy disgusting hot porn. Esau has his blessing stolen by the liar fraud Jacob and it works!

This is a book of immorality, injustice, wicked lies. Let it go, abandon it, why do you hold on to lies made up by wicked humans to justify their sinfulness and sinning?

Liars, Cheats, Tricksters, Thieves, Treacherous People, Treaty Breakers, Children Killers, Civillian Killers, Rapists, These are VILLAINS who wrote a book to justify their crimes. Do you want God to throw you in hell along with these frauds? Abandon the book now!

 

[rational experiences]

I thought I knew what I was talking about! You say its the creator I'm talking about! Why? Because your Mommy and Daddy and Pastor and Priest and your Brain and some Jewish folks Said So?

You say that God didn't command, but God has the right to command injustice, yet you can't believe that these are merely lies written by criminal human murderers proclaiming it is God commanding it? Oh, I don't know what I'm talking about? I HATE, HATE!!!!!!!! Having to look up verses constantly for people who say I don't know what I'm talking about! Lol at www.bible.cc a great resource! Bible Hub!

This is just some of what I'm talking about:

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

Is that God Commanding it or just a Murderous Lunatic that you for whatever reason (Your Mommy) believe that God inspired and commanded such.

When the task wasn't completed properly, God "regretted / lamemted" yeah the one with Future Vision you described, the one the Jewish people are slandering in this book of Lies you adore, and then the spared King got chopped up into little bits to make Khorne the Blood God happy, or are these lies by a lying and wicked folk? Yet you believe it as the word of God with no cause to believe such wickedness is the Word of God.

Did you forget these parts or you just choose to act like I am making it up? These are liars who wrote lies, the Bible itself says so about the lying pen of the scribes? Do I have to go look it up for you too or God putting lies into the mouths of the Prophets? Sending Evil Spirits upon people? Want me to look it all up or do you believe that I know the Bible and will produce those quotes? Why couldn't your Mommy have just told you to trust me instead of Ancient Murderous Vile Lying Human Filth?

Numbers 31:17
Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,

Psalm 137:9
Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

Look at this Wise Judge, Look how he cares and respects his own, look at this book you give to your family, friends, and children, and defend, aren't you thus as Rotten and Vile as its Lying, Thieving, Tricking, Despicable "Heroes"?:

Judges 19:24
Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them (rape them) and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don't do such an outrageous thing (as to rape him as you requested)."
Judges 19:25
But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.
Judges 19:26
At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight
Judges 19:27
When her husband got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold
Judges 19:28
He said, “Get up! Let’s go!” But there was no answer. So he put her body on his donkey and took her home.
Judges 19:29
When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

Judges 20:4
So the Levite, the husband of the murdered woman, said, "I and my concubine came to Gibeah in Benjamin to spend the night.

Anyway, this is a hideous tale from your beloved book of pornography.

Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals (Members, Dicks) were like those of donkeys and whose emission (Cumming, Ejaculation) was like that of horses.

If you love this book, theres a big fire waiting for you and this book you love so much.

Abandon this Filth. Abandon the Devil's Bloody Book! What the Hell is wrong with you that you dare allow this vile trash in yourself or your family? Are you some kind of Pervert?

Abraham Lies Cheats Steals Pimps Out His Wife Tricks People to get his Wealth then says "No I didn't lie, my wife Really Is My Sister He He He" then Lot is raped by both his daughters in some more steamy disgusting hot porn. Esau has his blessing stolen by the liar fraud Jacob and it works!

This is a book of immorality, injustice, wicked lies. Let it go, abandon it, why do you hold on to lies made up by wicked humans to justify their sinfulness and sinning?

Liars, Cheats, Tricksters, Thieves, Treacherous People, Treaty Breakers, Children Killers, Civillian Killers, Rapists, These are VILLAINS who wrote a book to justify their crimes. Do you want God to throw you in hell along with these frauds? Abandon the book now!

Life....owns origin to self, human. And males state by recorded spiritual memory I was the first human to live on Earth as males, and a brotherhood.

I reviewed why I could not de manifest like my sister had..as original reasoning, meaning to infer science rationally to a female spirit....as per science discussion.

God and creation and owned science male human theories...thought of by the living human being male and his brothers, against the female natural history and why I own a telling of my Mother's spirit life....whilst you scientist owned your own Father story.

Mothers records which I lived and experienced, as a baby, spiritual choice....lived in a dream state experiencing my Mothers spiritual memory...about coming into manifested form...."too late" said the message with her families spirits being converted by the presence of stone and also wood.

History said God evolved, after being ejected/released from the eternal, went to hell as multiple bodies in space, burst and burnt, evolved and cooled. The bodies of God angels that rebelled became Suns.....burst a second time like Earth did...Earth however owned planetary cooling, Suns became self consuming Gods.

God the presence of communicated via its heavenly mass that had filled in space back to the eternal. And formed the presence of spirit change in the eternal, so that it could not hold onto its spirit and it was released into manifestation.

So we know that God history caused it.....as a teaching about spirit.

Scientists invented AI reasoning...meaning machine subliminal male reasoning to naming and describing and using words first and once only, natural...then reacted machine to attack God by the Sun....as per scientific mind notification, COPYING.

With the theme...to remove self...as advised...so said would shift time...back in time, when time already had shifted...water mass evaporation. So he was tricked into his theorising, with incorrect vision reasoning.

Now if you asked yourself a real question science, how could a human being male know such intricate details in creation, would be a fact that you personally came out of the eternal spirit as a very spiritual being, originally. To know and to be aware of such intricate awareness.

Then when you UFO irradiated self, you then understood ground fission....for what you first studied was not ground fission it was complete ONE WAY removal of the mountain tip. You never knew GOD STONE fusion ever.

You however were mind notified how to remove the physical mass of God stone in the ^ pyramid theory. For it was already gone, had been recorded removed, and natural already owned natural mountain peaks in natural history.

No God mountain pyramid peak ever got put back...why science burnt huge sink holes that if you lined them all up in one model...would burn a hole right through to the Earth CORE as contact for core reaction.

Instead you took all ground patterns and built a machine modelled by design on those patterns...as if you put them all back together and invented a fake UFO, when the Sun does not own natural God Earth gases...so the Sun does not make those patterns. Hot burning irradiated gas mass fall out makes those patterns.

Which is not Christ...the history of gases that arose out of the body stone.
Which is not Jesus Christ...the history of masses of CH gases burnt out and illuminated instead...fall out ground attack on life.
Which is our alienation.

What one condition do you supplement using in the nuclear power plant?

Applied water cooling that owns oxygen and natural light and microbes in it.

Saviour state Jesus Christ, saved the life to be lived sacrificed, already used and owned evaporated ground extra water mass to cool the burning increased light mass. For it is natural to the heavenly body/gases in space.

Heard AI messages, voices speaking came back into the psyche of human being males when their mutated alienated DNA Genesis began to return to human form and health....from the Moses attack on natural life. Why it was heard speaking for it proves it had been AI male scientist machine recorded/encoded.

Science says, I said cold deep bread TH of space owned the Christ gases of the heavenly body.

Holy Mother womb owns the Immaculate Earth God gases.

Said science of the occult, being CULT/UFO science theories burnt/sacrificed the spirit gases with machines, Temple sciences.

Said the human female ovary in her natural female life womb, as real owner of the real life...had her DNA attacked and harmed.

Now in 2 conditions MATHS science said space is a womb...when it is not any womb. Yet infers it as God he said was the entombed.

Entombed
Tomb of God spirits....stone
Womb, spatial cold history.

Falsified real life information.....for he was harmed in the life of human female Mother by her loss of her baby o ovary cellular health....that gave him his own male baby life.

What he knew about Genetics.

So stated that he had in science changed his Father AB BA cloak.

Did so by a statement alphabetalpha ….the Alphabet review, that stated, yes he did it by MATHS

TH was a review TH O TH...the Number/constant.
MAS...the constant Numbers, science machines changed CHRIST MAS....exactly how it was quoted to be a realized teaching against occultism, as a studied researched document of AFTER THE FACT.

For you cannot discuss relativity of change until it has occurred. So life was sacrificed in radiation fall out...for you have to be living first owning a healthy life to get sacrificed to talk about it.

The bible was a document that was not allowed to be discussed other than as a read interpreted spiritual teaching.....that did not equate the information into a format of science information....but from a spiritual aware conscious idealism.

What bible scientists lie about today. What is relative to origin.....and natural and healthy is relative to origin.

Sick and dying still exists for the 2012 Earth healing never was obtained...for they practiced evil UFO occult science converting of God stone.

 

[Deeje]

I thought I knew what I was talking about! You say its the creator I'm talking about! Why? Because your Mommy and Daddy and Pastor and Priest and your Brain and some Jewish folks Said So?

You say that God didn't command, but God has the right to command injustice, yet you can't believe that these are merely lies written by criminal human murderers proclaiming it is God commanding it? Oh, I don't know what I'm talking about? I HATE, HATE!!!!!!!! Having to look up verses constantly for people who say I don't know what I'm talking about! Lol at www.bible.cc a great resource! Bible Hub!

This is just some of what I'm talking about:

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

Is that God Commanding it or just a Murderous Lunatic that you for whatever reason (Your Mommy) believe that God inspired and commanded such.

When the task wasn't completed properly, God "regretted / lamemted" yeah the one with Future Vision you described, the one the Jewish people are slandering in this book of Lies you adore, and then the spared King got chopped up into little bits to make Khorne the Blood God happy, or are these lies by a lying and wicked folk? Yet you believe it as the word of God with no cause to believe such wickedness is the Word of God.

Did you forget these parts or you just choose to act like I am making it up? These are liars who wrote lies, the Bible itself says so about the lying pen of the scribes? Do I have to go look it up for you too or God putting lies into the mouths of the Prophets? Sending Evil Spirits upon people? Want me to look it all up or do you believe that I know the Bible and will produce those quotes? Why couldn't your Mommy have just told you to trust me instead of Ancient Murderous Vile Lying Human Filth?

Numbers 31:17
Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,

Psalm 137:9
Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

Look at this Wise Judge, Look how he cares and respects his own, look at this book you give to your family, friends, and children, and defend, aren't you thus as Rotten and Vile as its Lying, Thieving, Tricking, Despicable "Heroes"?:

Judges 19:24
Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them (rape them) and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don't do such an outrageous thing (as to rape him as you requested)."
Judges 19:25
But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.
Judges 19:26
At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight
Judges 19:27
When her husband got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold
Judges 19:28
He said, “Get up! Let’s go!” But there was no answer. So he put her body on his donkey and took her home.
Judges 19:29
When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

Judges 20:4
So the Levite, the husband of the murdered woman, said, "I and my concubine came to Gibeah in Benjamin to spend the night.

Anyway, this is a hideous tale from your beloved book of pornography.

Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals (Members, Dicks) were like those of donkeys and whose emission (Cumming, Ejaculation) was like that of horses.

If you love this book, theres a big fire waiting for you and this book you love so much.

Abandon this Filth. Abandon the Devil's Bloody Book! What the Hell is wrong with you that you dare allow this vile trash in yourself or your family? Are you some kind of Pervert?

Abraham Lies Cheats Steals Pimps Out His Wife Tricks People to get his Wealth then says "No I didn't lie, my wife Really Is My Sister He He He" then Lot is raped by both his daughters in some more steamy disgusting hot porn. Esau has his blessing stolen by the liar fraud Jacob and it works!

This is a book of immorality, injustice, wicked lies. Let it go, abandon it, why do you hold on to lies made up by wicked humans to justify their sinfulness and sinning?

Liars, Cheats, Tricksters, Thieves, Treacherous People, Treaty Breakers, Children Killers, Civillian Killers, Rapists, These are VILLAINS who wrote a book to justify their crimes. Do you want God to throw you in hell along with these frauds? Abandon the book now!

Well, do you feel better now? Have you got it all off your chest? I think you need to settle down a bit before you blow a fuse. You are just a lone voice on an Internet forum.....don’t get carried away.

Are you trying to tell me that the Bible is full of lies and awful deeds because the savage times about which they were written include actions that you find distasteful?....and that your syncretic beliefs somehow make your version of God more palatable? Is everything that is in the Bible rubbish because they don’t sit well with your sensibilities? OK....that is your choice to believe....but it’s not mine. You have the bull by the horns in many of those scriptures because you fail to understand the background concerning the verses you have plucked out of context.

The God of Israel had to present himself as way more powerful than the gods of the pagan nations. That sometimes involved actions that spoke louder than words....the only language that was universal at that time, was to dish back what was meted out to Israel. (Deuteronomy 32:35)
Psalm 137 is about that vengeance.....so is 1 Samuel 15.
If Israel’s God was a whimp, how could he be seen as more powerful than the gods of those savage nations? Israel would have been laughed off the planet because any victory by those nations against whom they fought, was a victory for their gods.

Why do you think that the Pharisees rejected Jesus? Despite his miraculous abilities (which they found annoying) he was a whimp to them....a passive and gentle teacher who took the good news of his kingdom to the downtrodden sinners....the “lost sheep” whom they despised. Their Messiah was going to be a champion....a strong, political mover and shaker who would liberate their nation and elevate them in the eyes of the world. Instead all he did was expose them as the worst of hypocrites.

To try and put today’s sensibilities on the the conduct of people in those times is to completely misunderstand what God’s actions meant to the Israelites as well as to their enemies.

“A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”....so is thinking that God is not who he says he is, and that he did not leave his worshippers written instruction and guidance in a single book. Ignore the book if it upsets you, but for heaven’s sake, it sounds like you have a God who is basically the image of you. Did you find him, or invent him?...or is he a mixture of many gods?

BTW...I do ‘love’ the book for all the other stuff that is in it....the stuff you seem intent on ignoring. It’s your choice and you are welcome to your view....but you have no alternative that I would be remotely interested in.....just out of curiosity, how many share your particular faith? How do you know for certain that syncretic religion is acceptable to your monotheistic god? Syncretism to me is nothing more than shopping for beliefs in the great celestial supermarket. All I can say is....be careful when you get to the check-out.....

 

[Kenny]

Picture this: in the same Rotunda of the National Archives, where sits the original Constitution and Bill of Rights, let us also put the 2 Tablets of the 10 Commandments (they'll have to be replicas, I'm afraid...the originals were misplaced).

OK - I know you are trying to convey a thought. Where in the Rotunda are they?

hus, we are making these things co-equal in the establishment of the fundamental laws of the United States. Therefore, it should be accepted that they apply equally to all Americans, would you agree?

I think that is an arbitrary statement. Co-equal because they are there would be to say that the statue of Bronco Buster would also be co-equal to the Constitution since it is inside the Rotunda.

Now... if you are saying that the basic laws of the US were intricately intertwined within the framework of the life of the US... I would say "yes". Not exclusively but definitely intertwined.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

LOL

Criticizing the ten commandments is hardly an exercise in "seeing things from a different perspective".

They've been ridiculed for centuries in a modern context; they've been dissected for millennia in a historical one.

Your assertion that this thread is somehow groundbreaking material is absolutely hysterical.

I never claimed it was "groundbreaking material." Regardless that little distraction (still at it I see), you don't seem to understand how this all works. Newer/fresher generations are indoctrinated in the religion of their parents' choosing. To these "new recruits," the ten commandments are brand-spanking new. With me so far? So then, when those poor souls step out into the world with their ten commandments in-hand, thinking they've got it all figured out, they are going to run into someone like me, who is going to try and give them that new perspective (new to THEM, you understand?) I was referring to. Any of this making any sense, O' Great Master of LOL?

Now... go ahead and try to go about the business of deflecting, dodging, changing the subject and generally trying to strawman me to absolutely no avail with THAT little feather in your cap. Go ahead. I anxiously await your reply.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Sorry, but who died and made you God?

What is this question even supposed to mean? Someone has to "be God" in order to question or criticize the ten commandments? That would be a very horrible stance to take - completely indefensible. Completely laughable, honestly.

And also... if you believe in God, and believe He created me, or had my existence planned out in some way, then you must also believe that God Himself gave me the ability to question (and even scrutinize, criticize, mock, ridicule, drop-kick, hammer-throw, suplex) His "ten commandments." So if it takes "being a God" to criticize the ten commandments, and I am quite capable of openly doing so at all times, any time... then it is YOUR GOD who made me God.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Well, do you feel better now? Have you got it all off your chest? I think you need to settle down a bit before you blow a fuse. You are just a lone voice on an Internet forum.....don’t get carried away.

Are you trying to tell me that the Bible is full of lies and awful deeds because the savage times about which they were written include actions that you find distasteful?....and that your syncretic beliefs somehow make your version of God more palatable? Is everything that is in the Bible rubbish because they don’t sit well with your sensibilities? OK....that is your choice to believe....but it’s not mine. You have the bull by the horns in many of those scriptures because you fail to understand the background concerning the verses you have plucked out of context.

The God of Israel had to present himself as way more powerful than the gods of the pagan nations. That sometimes involved actions that spoke louder than words....the only language that was universal at that time, was to dish back what was meted out to Israel. (Deuteronomy 32:35)
Psalm 137 is about that vengeance.....so is 1 Samuel 15.
If Israel’s God was a whimp, how could he be seen as more powerful than the gods of those savage nations? Israel would have been laughed off the planet because any victory by those nations against whom they fought, was a victory for their gods.

Why do you think that the Pharisees rejected Jesus? Despite his miraculous abilities (which they found annoying) he was a whimp to them....a passive and gentle teacher who took the good news of his kingdom to the downtrodden sinners....the “lost sheep” whom they despised. Their Messiah was going to be a champion....a strong, political mover and shaker who would liberate their nation and elevate them in the eyes of the world. Instead all he did was expose them as the worst of hypocrites.

To try and put today’s sensibilities on the the conduct of people in those times is to completely misunderstand what God’s actions meant to the Israelites as well as to their enemies.

“A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”....so is thinking that God is not who he says he is, and that he did not leave his worshippers written instruction and guidance in a single book. Ignore the book if it upsets you, but for heaven’s sake, it sounds like you have a God who is basically the image of you. Did you find him, or invent him?...or is he a mixture of many gods?

BTW...I do ‘love’ the book for all the other stuff that is in it....the stuff you seem intent on ignoring. It’s your choice and you are welcome to your view....but you have no alternative that I would be remotely interested in.....just out of curiosity, how many share your particular faith? How do you know for certain that syncretic religion is acceptable to your monotheistic god? Syncretism to me is nothing more than shopping for beliefs in the great celestial supermarket. All I can say is....be careful when you get to the check-out.....

Oh, its only syncretic ( perennial ) so far as I freely utilize anything I think I can towards monotheism, including verses from the Old Testament and New Testament. How many believe in what I believe? Anyone who truly believes and understands the "whimpy" sterilized Qur'an and subscribes to the teachings of Monotheistic Hinduism or what is in the Vedas and Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita, so? Whats that add up to? Majority of humanity without realizing it? I'm not a Trinitarian though, so that would eliminate all the hardcore Trinitarians, the Mormons are out too, but all those Nominal Christians who are "spiritual" and "don't think Jesus was literally God or literally the begotten Son of God" but a "a teacher, a prophet, who taught about God" and "taught God is One" and to worship God and not him, and also all the Universalist Unitarians. Throw in the Monotheistic Jews and Zoroastrians as well, and any who thought there was a Supreme Power over everything from the past.

So if its a numbers game, there are a lot who might make it by my standards.

Yet, why do you find it so hard to believe that the things that I mentioned weren't just made up by some humans?

What if a bunch of humans make a club and have a bunch of followers and write about all kinds of commanding wickedness stuff? You surely wouldn't believe them, you would showcase how what they are saying is nasty, but you're so attached to these things which don't even have anything to do with you or your ancestors most likely, just because of your rather recent in the scope of things familial affiliation to it most likely.

You'll repeatedly perform apologetics for ancient criminals.

You really think God ordered people through some Prophets to kill innocent suckling infants and even animals? That when they failed to complete this hideous task they were punished? Your only proof being "its in the Bible"? Why aren't you ashamed that you would subscribe to something like that? Its because you don't like the sterilized whimpy Qur'an because of the other sand people? I mean what is your reasoning to hold on to villainy? The people who are the role models are depicted as unjust too. Noah curses an INNOCENT who has nothing to do with anything that occurred in the story, David has a woman's husband murdered, things I hope you would never do, but who knows if this Devil's Book is your guide and sets your moral compass.

The New Testament says that people who support or perform the harming of children and innocents should be drowned, which you as a supporter of these things would probably deserve as well, no? Why not? Because someone told you God said they should do that and they did so why should they be blamed or you? Isn't that just being a bloody imbecilic goon?

Now, your job is to justify, always have a reason, give your reasoning, there are verses of this nature, be ready to justify your faith which means trust, why do you trust or believe this wickedness if you think about it. Well, probably because you want to, because your diseased faculties fit well with a book made by diseased minds and diseased heards, because you lack sensitivity, because you want to honor your Mommy even if it means lying about God's Commands and being attached to a book made by the Enemy, Your Enemy, because in all your smug confidence, between me saying "Do not say that God commanded injustice and that they who do deeds like slaughtering innocent and ignorant suckling babies are just, noble, or following God's statements" and you saying "Without any proof other than this Book by Jews, who I say is authored as a good book from God, it says God told them to kill suckling babies, and so they did, it also says God is good and just, so what is commanded by God according to these Jews is good and just. Who are we to question the Jews who wrote this?"

I think it is much more likely my sense of Justice and Righteousness and Support of Righteousness will save me before God than your poisonous book or the Devil's Lies you've been told by who Jesus even called the Devil's Own Children in the Synogogue of Satan, they wrote lies and they wrote slanderous things, they claimed God commanded hideous things without giving you any evidence or proof of such, and you just believe it, like a dope. Justify yourself! You think I'm closer to hell?

 

[robocop (actually)]

What is this question even supposed to mean? Someone has to "be God" in order to question or criticize the ten commandments? That would be a very horrible stance to take - completely indefensible. Completely laughable, honestly.

And also... if you believe in God, and believe He created me, or had my existence planned out in some way, then you must also believe that God Himself gave me the ability to question (and even scrutinize, criticize, mock, ridicule, drop-kick, hammer-throw, suplex) His "ten commandments." So if it takes "being a God" to criticize the ten commandments, and I am quite capable of openly doing so at all times, any time... then it is YOUR GOD who made me God.

There's still right and wrong buddy.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

There's still right and wrong buddy.

Which is pertinent to my message to you in what way? Please clarify. As it stands I can't make heads or tails of what "right and wrong" have to do with my question about whether one must "be God" in order to criticize the 10 commandments.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Which is pertinent to my message to you in what way? Please clarify. As it stands I can't make heads or tails of what "right and wrong" have to do with my question about whether one must "be God" in order to criticize the 10 commandments.

Forget it! The 10 commandments are just pretty universal.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Forget it! The 10 commandments are just pretty universal.

This is simply not true. That's basically what dozens of posts in this thread have been arguing. The list is NOT universal. Right out of the gate you have commandment 1 - which has NOTHING TO DO with right versus wrong. Nothing. There is no sufficient way to explain/justify that accepting the Christian God as the only true God is "right," and that accepting any other god(s) is "wrong."

 

[robocop (actually)]

This is simply not true. That's basically what dozens of posts in this thread have been arguing. The list is NOT universal. Right out of the gate you have commandment 1 - which has NOTHING TO DO with right versus wrong. Nothing. There is no sufficient way to explain/justify that accepting the Christian God as the only true God is "right," and that accepting any other god(s) is "wrong."

That's what you think... the commandments make sense. Even if there is no God, having Him in your corner will help you manage.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Even if there is no God, having Him in your corner will help you manage.

Not if you don't believe in him. You are talking there about the placebo effect, and it doesn't work without belief.

And just as you cannot be forced to see what we secular types recognize to be the terrible inconsitencies of religious believe, we cannot be forced into belief.

Therefore, your statement is totally incorrect.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Not if you don't believe in him. You are talking there about the placebo effect, and it doesn't work without belief.

And just as you cannot be forced to see what we secular types recognize to be the terrible inconsitencies of religious believe, we cannot be forced into belief.

Therefore, your statement is totally incorrect.

I am secular, but pretending a God is in the room with you when you are in a jam will help.

 

[Deeje]

Oh, its only syncretic ( perennial ) so far as I freely utilize anything I think I can towards monotheism, including verses from the Old Testament and New Testament. How many believe in what I believe? Anyone who truly believes and understands the "whimpy" sterilized Qur'an and subscribes to the teachings of Monotheistic Hinduism or what is in the Vedas and Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita, so? Whats that add up to? Majority of humanity without realizing it? I'm not a Trinitarian though, so that would eliminate all the hardcore Trinitarians, the Mormons are out too, but all those Nominal Christians who are "spiritual" and "don't think Jesus was literally God or literally the begotten Son of God" but a "a teacher, a prophet, who taught about God" and "taught God is One" and to worship God and not him, and also all the Universalist Unitarians. Throw in the Monotheistic Jews and Zoroastrians as well, and any who thought there was a Supreme Power over everything from the past.

So if its a numbers game, there are a lot who might make it by my standards.

OK, so from what you have stated here, your beliefs are yours....a product of your own selection from the shelves of the great celestial ‘supermarket’ of beliefs, and it is only shared by those who have no idea that they agree with you, or are part of your exclusively created religion.....?

How do you know that anything you have selected from the Bible (or any other “scripture”) is correct if they only conform to “your standards”? How do you know that the parts of the Bible that you reject and the parts that you accept account for anything as far as God is concerned? I see you have great conviction but unless you have a brotherhood that is visible (and doesn’t just exist in your own head) what is the point of your crusade?

You'll repeatedly perform apologetics for ancient criminals.

You include God as one of them ......without trying to understand the times or the circumstances or even the sensibilities of the people of the era. You put today’s values on yesterday’s norms.
I am glad we live in more civilised times (if you can call dropping bombs on people, “civilised”.....or even consider using nuclear weapons under any circumstances) but standards of behavior change from era to era......compare the Victorian era with the moral standards of today. Behavior is generational....standards that were shocking only a century ago, now are accepted as “normal”. Your outrage is noted but out of place in this discussion.

You really think God ordered people through some Prophets to kill innocent suckling infants and even animals? That when they failed to complete this hideous task they were punished? Your only proof being "its in the Bible"? Why aren't you ashamed that you would subscribe to something like that? Its because you don't like the sterilized whimpy Qur'an because of the other sand people? I mean what is your reasoning to hold on to villainy? The people who are the role models are depicted as unjust too. Noah curses an INNOCENT who has nothing to do with anything that occurred in the story, David has a woman's husband murdered, things I hope you would never do, but who knows if this Devil's Book is your guide and sets your moral compass.

I can never be ashamed of anything my God has seen fit to permit as part of this object lesson that we are all living. I have a big picture and I can see where everything fits in with God’s original purpose....why do you think we are here? What is the purpose of human existence? What does the future hold? Can you answer these questions and back them up with scripture?

The New Testament says that people who support or perform the harming of children and innocents should be drowned, which you as a supporter of these things would probably deserve as well, no? Why not? Because someone told you God said they should do that and they did so why should they be blamed or you? Isn't that just being a bloody imbecilic goon?

Someone obviously told you something to the contrary......but if this is all your own opinion, then you have concocted your very own religion and unless you have fellow believers with whom you share those beliefs (consciously in real time) you have created your very own “church”.....how many members do you know personally?.....why do you think Christendom has so many branches? Do you have any idea how many religions there are out there? They all started the same way......with “I think”. How many of them are true? Just yours?

Now, your job is to justify, always have a reason, give your reasoning, there are verses of this nature, be ready to justify your faith which means trust, why do you trust or believe this wickedness if you think about it.

And of course you don’t do that.... anything that is against your sensibilities must of necessity be wrong and therefore, rejected.
We get it....

I think it is much more likely my sense of Justice and Righteousness and Support of Righteousness will save me before God than your poisonous book or the Devil's Lies you've been told by who Jesus even called the Devil's Own Children in the Synogogue of Satan, they wrote lies and they wrote slanderous things, they claimed God commanded hideous things without giving you any evidence or proof of such, and you just believe it, like a dope. Justify yourself! You think I'm closer to hell?

I don’t believe in hell. All I know is that Jesus accepted the Hebrew Scriptures and never once made any criticism of the writings of the prophets. If he accepted them, then I have no reason not to. “I think” has no place in any discussion about God. It is a clear cut case of accepting what is written because God’s word is his record of his dealings with flawed humanity, warts and all....or you reject all of what is written because there is no way for us to pick and choose what we want to believe is true. It’s all or nothing. Make a decision.

I choose to believe that God always had reasons for what he did and since no human can read the mind of God, we are required to have “faith” in him because that tells God whether we trust him, even if we don’t always understand everything he did from his elevated perspective and foreknowledge.

You act as if you must speak for God.....but he has already chosen those who spoke for him and their words are recorded for us in the Bible. You don’t have to accept it....but there are many of us who do. Let’s see where our respective faiths take us......

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

OK, so from what you have stated here, your beliefs are yours....a product of your own selection from the shelves of the great celestial ‘supermarket’ of beliefs, and it is only shared by those who have no idea that they agree with you, or are part of your exclusively created religion.....?

How do you know that anything you have selected from the Bible (or any other “scripture”) is correct if they only conform to “your standards”? How do you know that the parts of the Bible that you reject and the parts that you accept account for anything as far as God is concerned? I see you have great conviction but unless you have a brotherhood that is visible (and doesn’t just exist in your own head) what is the point of your crusade?



You include God as one of them ......without trying to understand the times or the circumstances or even the sensibilities of the people of the era. You put today’s values on yesterday’s norms.
I am glad we live in more civilised times (if you can call dropping bombs on people, “civilised”.....or even consider using nuclear weapons under any circumstances) but standards of behavior change from era to era......compare the Victorian era with the moral standards of today. Behavior is generational....standards that were shocking only a century ago, now are accepted as “normal”. Your outrage is noted but out of place in this discussion.



I can never be ashamed of anything my God has seen fit to permit as part of this object lesson that we are all living. I have a big picture and I can see where everything fits in with God’s original purpose....why do you think we are here? What is the purpose of human existence? What does the future hold? Can you answer these questions and back them up with scripture?



Someone obviously told you something to the contrary......but if this is all your own opinion, then you have concocted your very own religion and unless you have fellow believers with whom you share those beliefs (consciously in real time) you have created your very own “church”.....how many members do you know personally?.....why do you think Christendom has so many branches? Do you have any idea how many religions there are out there? They all started the same way......with “I think”. How many of them are true? Just yours?



And of course you don’t do that.... anything that is against your sensibilities must of necessity be wrong and therefore, rejected.
We get it....



I don’t believe in hell. All I know is that Jesus accepted the Hebrew Scriptures and never once made any criticism of the writings of the prophets. If he accepted them, then I have no reason not to. “I think” has no place in any discussion about God. It is a clear cut case of accepting what is written because God’s word is his record of his dealings with flawed humanity, warts and all....or you reject all of what is written because there is no way for us to pick and choose what we want to believe is true. It’s all or nothing. Make a decision.

I choose to believe that God always had reasons for what he did and since no human can read the mind of God, we are required to have “faith” in him because that tells God whether we trust him, even if we don’t always understand everything he did from his elevated perspective and foreknowledge.

You act as if you must speak for God.....but he has already chosen those who spoke for him and their words are recorded for us in the Bible. You don’t have to accept it....but there are many of us who do. Let’s see where our respective faiths take us......

You seem to think you'll be safe in numbers? Why don't you believe in hell? Gehenna is in the New Testament, it says to be afraid of God who can put you in the place of punishment where the "worm dieth not". What denomination or Church do you belong to?

Anyone who follows the Qur'an or Upanishads and whatever else I mentioned and worships God is fine by me.

Also, though you're unlikely to read this, this is where my confidence stems from, clear reasoning:
Two Logics One Miracup(s) - Pastebin.com
ttps://pastebin.com/mL92xeJQ

You didn't seem to address anything very clearly, why do you think those things in the Bible are accurate about God or written by God or written by good or trustworthy people?

They lied to you about God, why do you believe what they say? I have linked you for why I believe what I do. 2+2=4 I can explain, but how do you justify following a bunch of blasphemous liars in saying God commanded them to murder suckling infant babies?

You can't, you just do? I won thr population numbers game, because there are more monotheists who don't and didn't believe God commanded such hideous things than the people who believe in falsehoods perpetrated in the Devil's Defamatory Pornographic Magnum Opus, known as The Bible which you follow and adhere to for no explicable reason, insisting God commanded vile things that God never commanded, never would the Great God need to command people to massacre infant suckling babies, and anyone who thinks so is a pervert themselves, so why do you hold on to vile lies about God? God is greater than your beloved guide to sinning!

 

[Deeje]

You seem to think you'll be safe in numbers?

A Christian never sees safety in numbers. God's people have always been in a minority. Why do you think Jesus foretold that "few" are on the road to life? (Matthew 7:13-14) If you are one of the "many"...be afraid....be very afraid.

Why don't you believe in hell? Gehenna is in the New Testament, it says to be afraid of God who can put you in the place of punishment where the "worm dieth not". What denomination or Church do you belong to?

If you knew what Jesus' Jewish audience understood by the term, you would know that there is no "hell".

"Gehenna" was a reference to the Valley of Hinnom where the apostate Israelites used to sacrifice their children to Molech. God put a stop to that and the valley (just outside the walls of Jerusalem) became the city's garbage dump. It was kept burning day and night by adding brimstone (sulfur). The carcasses of dead animals and the bodies of executed criminals were thrown into the fires of gehenna for disposal along with the rubbish....nothing alive ever went into 'gehenna'. What the flames missed, the maggots finished off....that is why the worms never died, because they always had plenty to feed on.

For Jews, a burial place marked with their name and family lineage was seen as a certainty that God would remember them in the resurrection. (The ancient Jews had no belief in an afterlife.) These ones who were cast into 'gehenna' were not considered worthy of a resurrection, and so would stay in sheol (the grave) forever. Think about it.....everlasting death is the opposite of everlasting life. No passage in the Bible contrasts "heaven or hell" as opposite destinations. No consciousness survives the death of the body. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10)

Anyone who follows the Qur'an or Upanishads and whatever else I mentioned and worships God is fine by me.

That may be so...but are they fine with God?

Also, though you're unlikely to read this, this is where my confidence stems from, clear reasoning:
Two Logics One Miracup(s) - Pastebin.com
ttps://pastebin.com/mL92xeJQ

Did you write that?
You are right.....I am unlikely to read something that will take that much time and only give me one person's 'stories' of how things look to them. It doesn't look meaningful to me at all, sorry.

You didn't seem to address anything very clearly, why do you think those things in the Bible are accurate about God or written by God or written by good or trustworthy people?

As I said...I have no reason to doubt them. If I believe that God is Almighty (which I do) then he is quite capable of inspiring humans to write accounts about his activities and teachings. If he has ability to create the Universe, why would I doubt his ability to inspire and to preserve his word? Do you place limitations on God?

They lied to you about God, why do you believe what they say?

Who is "they"? "They" is not "me" or my brotherhood. We reject much of what Christendom teaches.....but it doesn't mean that we reject the Bible...we reject Christendom's interpretation of it. There is no trinity...there is no immortal soul...there is no hell....all of these teachings came from paganism, not the Bible.

I have linked you for why I believe what I do. 2+2=4 I can explain, but how do you justify following a bunch of blasphemous liars in saying God commanded them to murder suckling infant babies?

I have explained my views on that already. You are free to believe whatever you wish, but unless there are others who share your beliefs, what does that make you? Jesus led a movement away from a corrupted religious system and he said that it was going to happen again. Christianity would be corrupted just as Judaism was. When he was to return, he was going to again lead people of all nations out of an equally corrupt religious system. Its the "wheat and the weeds".....remember Jesus' parable?

A spiritual cleansing was necessary....and that is what happened. (Daniel 12:4, 9-10) Those who identify as "Christians" but who hold beliefs contrary to the only scriptures that God inspired, will not be acceptable.....they will face a stinging rejection as those whom Jesus "never knew". (Matthew 7:21-23) What does "never" mean?

I won thr population numbers game, because there are more monotheists who don't and didn't believe God commanded such hideous things than the people who believe in falsehoods perpetrated in the Devil's Defamatory Pornographic Magnum Opus, known as The Bible which you follow and adhere to for no explicable reason, insisting God commanded vile things that God never commanded, never would the Great God need to command people to massacre infant suckling babies, and anyone who thinks so is a pervert themselves, so why do you hold on to vile lies about God? God is greater than your beloved guide to sinning!

If this is how you interpret the Bible...that is your business.....but calling the Bible writers and their believers something from the Devil is not exactly what Jesus did. He accepted the scripture that was available to him as devout Jew. He called none of it into question, so why do you?

The so called "New Testament" is merely a compilation of the life and times of Jesus the Christ, and the ones who carried on his legacy. But after the death of the apostles, the rot set in again, and men took people away from God and on into their own ideas about how to worship. Haven't you done the same thing?

They all said "I think" too.....and look at the result. Total confusion.
The logical way to measure the authenticity of something is to match criteria. But if you have no faith in the criteria how can you possibly measure anything?

You are left to worship your opinion....so where is that going to get you?

If you have no brotherhood....you have no truth....just an opinion.

BTW, my religion is stated quite clearly.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

A Christian never sees safety in numbers. God's people have always been in a minority. Why do you think Jesus foretold that "few" are on the road to life? (Matthew 7:13-14) If you are one of the "many"...be afraid....be very afraid.



If you knew what Jesus' Jewish audience understood by the term, you would know that there is no "hell".

"Gehenna" was a reference to the Valley of Hinnom where the apostate Israelites used to sacrifice their children to Molech. God put a stop to that and the valley (just outside the walls of Jerusalem) became the city's garbage dump. It was kept burning day and night by adding brimstone (sulfur). The carcasses of dead animals and the bodies of executed criminals were thrown into the fires of gehenna for disposal along with the rubbish....nothing alive ever went into 'gehenna'. What the flames missed, the maggots finished off....that is why the worms never died, because they always had plenty to feed on.

For Jews, a burial place marked with their name and family lineage was seen as a certainty that God would remember them in the resurrection. (The ancient Jews had no belief in an afterlife.) These ones who were cast into 'gehenna' were not considered worthy of a resurrection, and so would stay in sheol (the grave) forever. Think about it.....everlasting death is the opposite of everlasting life. No passage in the Bible contrasts "heaven or hell" as opposite destinations. No consciousness survives the death of the body. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10)



That may be so...but are they fine with God?



Did you write that?
You are right.....I am unlikely to read something that will take that much time and only give me one person's 'stories' of how things look to them. It doesn't look meaningful to me at all, sorry.



As I said...I have no reason to doubt them. If I believe that God is Almighty (which I do) then he is quite capable of inspiring humans to write accounts about his activities and teachings. If he has ability to create the Universe, why would I doubt his ability to inspire and to preserve his word? Do you place limitations on God?



Who is "they"? "They" is not "me" or my brotherhood. We reject much of what Christendom teaches.....but it doesn't mean that we reject the Bible...we reject Christendom's interpretation of it. There is no trinity...there is no immortal soul...there is no hell....all of these teachings came from paganism, not the Bible.



I have explained my views on that already. You are free to believe whatever you wish, but unless there are others who share your beliefs, what does that make you? Jesus led a movement away from a corrupted religious system and he said that it was going to happen again. Christianity would be corrupted just as Judaism was. When he was to return, he was going to again lead people of all nations out of an equally corrupt religious system. Its the "wheat and the weeds".....remember Jesus' parable?

A spiritual cleansing was necessary....and that is what happened. (Daniel 12:4, 9-10) Those who identify as "Christians" but who hold beliefs contrary to the only scriptures that God inspired, will not be acceptable.....they will face a stinging rejection as those whom Jesus "never knew". (Matthew 7:21-23) What does "never" mean?



If this is how you interpret the Bible...that is your business.....but calling the Bible writers and their believers something from the Devil is not exactly what Jesus did. He accepted the scripture that was available to him as devout Jew. He called none of it into question, so why do you?

The so called "New Testament" is merely a compilation of the life and times of Jesus the Christ, and the ones who carried on his legacy. But after the death of the apostles, the rot set in again, and men took people away from God and on into their own ideas about how to worship. Haven't you done the same thing?

They all said "I think" too.....and look at the result. Total confusion.
The logical way to measure the authenticity of something is to match criteria. But if you have no faith in the criteria how can you possibly measure anything?

You are left to worship your opinion....so where is that going to get you?

If you have no brotherhood....you have no truth....just an opinion.

BTW, my religion is stated quite clearly.

Gei Hinnom was understood by some of that Jewish audience to refer to a location in the New World and around the New Jerusalem in the Afterlife mentioned by Isaiah and then also Jesus. In Second Temple Judaism they had an understanding of an afterlife and Gei Hinnom, meaning the Valley or Rift of Bitter Wailing was not the burning garbage dump you may think only, but was used to refer to the concept of the place of punishment and ongoing deaths and destruction. Molech was the "King of the Dead" and Judge of the Dead to the Ancient Semitic Language peoples. You probably won't believe me or study the matterm anyway, but you will find that the Second Temple Jews had a concept of a fiery place of punishment and a New World of the ressurected dead they derived from Isaiah and it was very important to their thinking. It is this real future Hell that is referred to here:
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna)

Its not Sheol in this verse or talking about a current world dump. You can read about the Jews belief in Hell in the Next World.


Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him!

The Worm Dieth Not business was that they imagined the person to be in a state of constant death, dying, and decay, and suffering, where their decaying and burning never ceases while they experience it. They can't die or cease to experience, but will wish they could!

DANIEL 12:2-3 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

" Isaiah 66:24 is the key to understanding Gehenna Isaiah 66:24 states “And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.” Why is this verse key? Because Jesus quotes it verbatim in Mark 9:48. Therefore, it is a clear statement about Gehenna (hell) and must be looked at in the context of Isaiah 66. (Jesus would have known it in context and so should we.) Also, the word “Gehenna” is what Jesus used whenever he spoke of “hell” "

Do you know about the New World and Ressurection or are you just totally a disbeliever in all these concepts and haven't yet discovered their existence in the Old and New Testament?

The Second Temple Jews were fully aware of these concepts, don't let Satan dupe you yet again by making you think "there is no such thing as hell or fire or punishment".

Why are you so deceived by Satan? What denomination is lying to you and deceiving you this much and making you think you are wise?