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50 FOX News Lies in Six Seconds...

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I find it interesting that no one wants to touch this post. I'm still waiting.
Were I a Fox viewer, I'd consider it a waste of time. Why jump into a Foxophobic echo chamber when everyone knows there's no common ground whatsoever? The same folk who call Fox liars will post lies from Alternet & other ilk, never questioning factoids favoring leftish ideas. Conservatives & lefties are such mirror images of each other regarding bias, integrity & policy. I should be b**** slapped just for sticking me toe in the water here.
 
Obviously no use in arguing against those who have an agenda, but two things should be stated. One: Jon Stewart is a comedian who has found a money-making niche in his world by bashing Fox. Two: Everyone shown in the speed-of-sound clips were commentators, not news people. So go ahead, take your shots, Fox is still hands down the most watched news channel on the air. And, with Jon Stewart as an example, it's hard to argue with success.
That the majority of the American viewing public appear to be bone-stupid is not a statistic to be proud of.
 
Anyone whom watches Fox for news might as well also get their news from Grimm's Fairy Tales. Their news commentaries are typically reflected in their earlier newscasts as well.


BTW, I wonder if Fox is going to give O'Reilly a "vacation" much like NBC has given Williams a "vacation"?
Please don't take the Brothers' name in vain.
 
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Because Fox is the only conservative game in town conservatives have no other place to go; therefore, the whole conservative demographic is drawn to it. Conservatives don't have another channel with which to split their viewership. The same would be true if there was only one liberal/neutral channel, but there isn't, there are many. So the liberal/neutral channels split the available viewership among themselves.

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Just to explain:
Among the 8,090,000 viewers in the 18-49 age bracket in this sample, Fox had the most with 2.4 million; however, while each of the other networks had less than this, their combined total equaled 5.7 million. more than twice that of Fox. Fox garnered only 29% of all viewers. And, had there been another conservative channel around they would have drawn even less.


And . . . . . . I know for a fact that some of Fox's viewers are liberals like myself who watch Fox because of its silliness and groan appeal. It's a perverse form of entertainment to be sure, but what can I say, they're the only game like it in town.

From a European perspective Obama is a right-wing nut job. The average American wouldn't know what a liberal was if they fell over one and don't get me started your screwy ideas about socialism or social democracy.
 
So, where do you get your news from? Can't be the printed news because it says the same thing as the TV news source do. Or do you just remain ignorant?
Erm, you are posting to what? T'Interwebs dude, t'interwebs. From which you can pluck the Beeb or al Jazirah; British broadsheets, Der Spiegel and hundreds of others. If you want a good digest from across the spectrum try The Week. Left, middle, right, or loony; if you're getting your news from only one or two places you aren't informed let alone well informed.
 
Because I like you today...



Is this factual that there is no good data?
The largest longditudinal study of second-hand smoking using doctors and done across decades concluded there was double-nought, blank, FA, correlation. When it became apparent that the study wouldn't support the narrative the UN pulled the funding.

I haven't looked at the whole list but a stopped clock is right twice a day, once if it's digital.

Edit: My comment is mistaken; I didn't have the reference to hand and conflated two seperate studies. One WHO funded, and the other; the large, longditudinal study; was commissioned by the American Cancer Society. The latter did have it's funding pulled as it's contrarary findings emerged. Both suffered strenuous attempts to suppress them and lie and mislead about them. See post 77 for more detail.
 
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esmith

Veteran Member
With RW media, they leave information out. RW media never mentions positive things that democrats do. RW media never mentions negative things that republicans do. So the RW media audience is left in the dark intentionally.
And this doesn't apply to LW media???????
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Because they are increasingly becoming marginalized and their old school left party line media is ignored by America, they always have to resort to the lame "you must be dumb" if America doesn't agree with the narrative anymore and is tired of their failures.

The more the reality sinks in, the more they hate, and have nothing to say but "you are dumb". But who are they talking to? No one is listening to them.

No one is listening to them, and the statistics do not lie. The 2014 year end ratings on News Cable make it clear as day, America goes to Fox News to get the news, period.

And it isn't that everyone is tired of the phony liberal news, what is more annoying of the phony leftwing news is what they leave out of the news on a daily basis and what they don't report.

Here are the facts:

2014 Year End Results on Cable News Viewership -

Marking 13 years at #1, Fox News was up about 2% in 2014 to an average 300K viewers per night in the demo favored by cable news advertisers. In total viewers for primetime, Fox nearly tripled its nearest competition with 1.748M.

Fox claimed the top 14 spots on the list of highest-rated cable news programs in total viewers and nine of the top 10 spots in the demo (MSNBC’s The Rachel Maddow Show was #15 in total while CNBC’s Shark Tank was #10 in the demo). For the 15th consecutive year, The O’Reilly Factor topped both lists with an averaged 426K in the demo and 2.667M total viewers.

2014 Cable News Ratings Year-End Fox News CNN MSNBC | Mediaite

This explains all the belly ache and whiners, they are an empty chamber yelling "liars!" and "you are stupid!" ... but no one is hearing them howl because no one is there to hear them. They left the chamber years ago. So who's stupid?
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
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thanks
Just so you know....neither of those pix I posted was of you.
(I couldn't find a Borg witch.)
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
The largest longditudinal study of second-hand smoking using doctors and done across decades concluded there was double-nought, blank, FA, correlation. When it became apparent that the study wouldn't support the narrative the UN pulled the funding.

Source please?

Meanwhile:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673610613888
SECOND HAND SMOKE
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1535610803002198
Second-hand smoke is an adjuvant for T helper-2 responses in a murine model of allergy.

When I logged in to Google Scholar, I typed in the search window "second hand smoke", and these 4 search results were offered among the many that were brought up. I haven't found a link to your inference.

I haven't looked at the whole list but a stopped clock is right twice a day, once if it's digital.

I guess it's okay to blow smoke directly onto a newborn baby, then? If second-hand smoke is so benign, I guess? I'm unsure as to the counter-claim.

Stossel said "There is NO GOOD DATA"....how is this factual given that the many health agencies for carbon monoxide testing, environmental health, pediatrics, obtsetrics-gynecology, the American Lung Association, the ACA, the NIH, etc. believe there is enough data out there concerning the chemical-biological structures of second hand smoke itself and the elevated levels of carcinogens in blood levels and tissue samples to warrant the studies of health impacts of how second hand smoke is detrimental to the population at large?

I know there are plenty of articles that dispute that second hand smoke isn't that bad. That there is hype and conspiracy and a big brother government that doesn't allow people to smoke around their families and newborns whenever they want, or bars and restaurants that want to make money and think non-smokers won't patronize their business enough....But that isn't what John Stossel claimed. He said there is NO GOOD DATA.

Is this factual?

And returning to the OP....is the FOX network a source of sound journalism? Is Stewart distorting their claims and therefore wrong?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
As someone who has seen people get sick from being around second hand smoke, myself included, I fail to see how second hand smoke is supposed to be harmless like the overwhelmingly and mostly tobacco company funded studies claim (the same companies who use to fund studies that claimed cigarette use was harmless, even beneficial). You are still inhaling toxins, carcinogens, carbon monoxide, and many other things that are not good. And, quiet obviously, the body has no magic repelling features that filter out the harmful effects of rape sperm or second-hand smoke. It must be asked of these studies how does the body filter out all this bad, especially when a non-smoker who is exposed to second-hand can have irritated lungs, difficultly breathing, and cough up thick and darkened mucus just from an evening of being exposed to second-hand smoke?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As someone who has seen people get sick from being around second hand smoke, myself included, I fail to see how second hand smoke is supposed to be harmless like the overwhelmingly and mostly tobacco company funded studies claim (the same companies who use to fund studies that claimed cigarette use was harmless, even beneficial). You are still inhaling toxins, carcinogens, carbon monoxide, and many other things that are not good. And, quiet obviously, the body has no magic repelling features that filter out the harmful effects of rape sperm or second-hand smoke. It must be asked of these studies how does the body filter out all this bad, especially when a non-smoker who is exposed to second-hand can have irritated lungs, difficultly breathing, and cough up thick and darkened mucus just from an evening of being exposed to second-hand smoke?
I've no doubt that 2nd hand smoke is a harmful mix of chemicals. But if someone claims that Fox is lying because Stossel says there is no good data, then this is an entirely different issue. This specific claim about data is not the same as claiming it's harmless. But in a quick perusal of the internet, I find that the data are problematic:
- Studies finding no link with cancer
- A lack of data in different environments, eg, rooms with rapid air changes
- Affected groups: age, health, gender
So the claim that "there are no good data" cannot reasonably be called a "lie". (But the claim could be challenged.) Were we to say every such contentious claim were dishonest, then there are many liars out there, even my favorite radio source, NPR.

Story time:
In my business (landlording), I banned smoking by workers on all properties, even those where the tenants smoked. If the tenants want to ruin their own health, then fine....but I wouldn't become a party to it via my own workers. I also made workers wear seat belts while on the clock, even though some disputed the safety of seat belts. I didn't even consider whether or not there were any good data about any of these things...I paid their wages, so I got my way.
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
And this doesn't apply to LW media???????
I understand that RW media makes a lot of claims about 'lame stream media.' They usually just make it up. Rush refers to it as 'drive by media.' It's just not true. If something is in the news, media outlets will cover it whether it's bad or good. RW media like fox will intentionally leave information out. For instance, with the Benghazi committees, fox never mentioned the outcome. With the IRS, fox never mentioned that both sides were targeted. News is news. Only fox is the one who selects what they want their viewers to see/hear. Most fox viewers and RW media listeners think the democratic party is a nightmare and cannot name a single thing they've done as good. That's because RW media intentionally doesn't report good news. RW media is all about demonizing the democratic party. If someone is fearful and hates a party so much, there's no way in hell they'll vote for that party. Most republicans vote based on fear, RW media knows this and exploits it. Just look at what the RW media is doing with this "Obama ammo ban!" They're all propagandists
 
Source please?

Beg pardon; I was mis-remembering and conflating several studies. My bad.
1) WHO funded, coordinated by its International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyons, France.

P. Boffeta, et al., 'Multicenter Case-Control Study of Exposure to Environmental tobacco Smoke and Lung Cancer in Europe', Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 90 (7 October 1998) 19.
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/19/1440.full.pdf

650 lung cancer patients compared with1,650 healthy people. In all 7 nations and across all the range of subjects,they found no statistically significant additional risk from passive smoking at home or in the workplace. Withheld for six months before publication; when it leaked, WHO put out a lying statement headed 'Passive Smoking does cause lung cancer - don't let them fool you'.

2) 1960, the American Cancer Society commissioned a study of 118,094 adults including 35,000 smoker-non smoker couples, running 'til 1998.
It found 'no causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco-related mortality. ACS tried to abort publication by withdrawing funding. No US journal would publish even after due diligence and peer review. Finally appeared in the May 2003 volume of the British Medical Journal.

J. Enstrom and G. Kabat 'Environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians, 1960-1998', BMJ, 17 May 2003.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155687/pdf/el-ppr1057.pdf
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Beg pardon; I was mis-remembering and conflating several studies. My bad.
1) WHO funded, coordinated by its International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyons, France.

P. Boffeta, et al., 'Multicenter Case-Control Study of Exposure to Environmental tobacco Smoke and Lung Cancer in Europe', Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 90 (7 October 1998) 19.
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/19/1440.full.pdf

650 lung cancer patients compared with1,650 healthy people. In all 7 nations and across all the range of subjects,they found no statistically significant additional risk from passive smoking at home or in the workplace. Withheld for six months before publication; when it leaked, WHO put out a lying statement headed 'Passive Smoking does cause lung cancer - don't let them fool you'.

2) 1960, the American Cancer Society commissioned a study of 118,094 adults including 35,000 smoker-non smoker couples, running 'til 1998.
It found 'no causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco-related mortality. ACS tried to abort publication by withdrawing funding. No US journal would publish even after due diligence and peer review. Finally appeared in the May 2003 volume of the British Medical Journal.

J. Enstrom and G. Kabat 'Environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians, 1960-1998', BMJ, 17 May 2003.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155687/pdf/el-ppr1057.pdf

Thank you.
 
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