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“How can we resist the temptation to look at pornograph ?

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Ah! Okay. From what I'm reading, I think we are in agreement that the porn industry is shallow and sometimes downright dangerous.

But couldn't consumers interested in porn change that (and as I mentioned before, have started to)? I mean, if there was an open effort to give safe, employee-friendly porn companies more attention, perhaps consumer advocacy could be a powerful tool in making the porn industry safer.

Yes. There should also be a union for sex workers so that they have a representative on set to monitor and prevent abuse. The main issue here is the out of control capitalism that fosters abuse. They also must stop preying on sex abuse victims and the economically disadvantaged. It seems to me that most professional porn stars did not get into porn because they're actual exhibitionists who enjoy having sex on film. It seems that most of them were pressured into it in some way and go on with it in order to have a job and perhaps for some psychological reasons as well.

Those people need to be filtered out. After that, the true exhibitionists can do whatever they want. I guarantee that there won't be much porn after that, though, since there's not many people who would enjoy the idea of broadcasting their sexual acts to the world. That's a fetish that a small minority of people truly have.

I think people need to realize that sex is not a game or just a recreational sport. It's something serious that effects us on all levels. People need to be more aware of how all this ties together in terms of self-image, oppression, power imbalances, objectification, etc.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
The damage porn does has nothing to do with us becoming a more sex+ society.

It does when people feel they need to fire or divorce because of porn.

It causes damage because to some people it becomes an addictive substance.

So isn't food. Don't mean to reiterate that, but it is addictive because it is such a basic desire for humans, and doesn't have to be harmful. I mean, I won't tell someone to not eat because some people get addicted to it. I will also not say don't watch porn because some people get addicted to it.
 

Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
Yeah, that's how I feel. It's depressing.

It's not so much depressing as it is influential on my sex life. I get curious of some fetishes and as I watch them, I grow knowledgable of what'd it'd be like to try them. One in particular I want to try but I'm too ashamed to ask my boyfriend lol but the urge is strong, so I'm screwed. I've learned to not browse any other fetishes as a result O-o
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Those people need to be filtered out. After that, the true exhibitionists can do whatever they want. I guarantee that there won't be much porn after that, though, since there's not many people who would enjoy the idea of broadcasting their sexual acts to the world. That's a fetish that a small minority of people truly have.

I think you'd be surprised. It may not always be the economically disadvantaged attracted to the money, anyway. I mean, I've known strippers who could and have had other decent jobs but strip because they make more money.

I think people need to realize that sex is not a game or just a recreational sport. It's something serious that effects us on all levels. People need to be more aware of how all this ties together in terms of self-image, oppression, power imbalances, objectification, etc.

That's true. But that also doesn't mean we can't have fun with sex. We can treat it as serious as well as keeping it fun. I mean, I can't imagine having just serious sex with my wife.

Me: All right dear, I am going to penetrate your womanhood.

Wife: Oh yes, dear. Please do!

Me: Okay, I'm almost done.

Wife: Oh good! It was just starting to get fun!
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I think you'd be surprised. It may not always be the economically disadvantaged attracted to the money, anyway. I mean, I've known strippers who could and have had other decent jobs but strip because they make more money.

"...But strip because they make more money". Mmhmm. Just like the straight guys who do gay porn because gay porn actors make a lot more money. Or the female porn actors who end up doing gradually more violent and degrading scenes because anal, DP, gang bangs, violence, etc. pays more than vaginal + oral with one guy. I guess it makes sense that those things would pay more since they'll need the money for the medical bills their probable injuries will incur.

That's true. But that also doesn't mean we can't have fun with sex. We can treat it as serious as well as keeping it fun. I mean, I can't imagine having just serious sex with my wife.

Me: All right dear, I am going to penetrate your womanhood.

Wife: Oh yes, dear. Please do!

Me: Okay, I'm almost done.

Wife: Oh good! It was just starting to get fun!

That's not what I mean by serious. I mean that people have a tendency to treat sex as just being a physical thing and ignore the emotional, psychological, socio-cultural and spiritual aspects of it.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
To be perfectly fair, I do remember spending inordinate amounts of time looking at pornography when I first had full time access to the internet. I also had that same issue with video games and fantasy novels.

I did have to learn to moderate my use of porn. But isn't that life? I moderate my alcohol intake, my coffee intake, my sugar intake, and even my exercise (I get addicted to exercise! It can happen). That doesn't mean it is inherently harmful. I think that stigma comes from a sex-negative culture.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
"...But strip because they make more money". Mmhmm. Just like the straight guys who do gay porn because gay porn actors make a lot more money. Or the female porn actors who end up doing gradually more violent and degrading scenes because anal, DP, gang bangs, violence, etc. pays more than vaginal + oral with one guy. I guess it makes sense that those things would pay more since they'll need the money for the medical bills their probable injuries will incur.

Working is a dangerous thing sometimes. As long as they are aware of the risks and consent, how is that different from the dangers in any other employment? Besides, probable is more like possible. Anyone involved in the kink scene understands that safe practice will not likely end in serious injury. Precautions need to be taken. Again, we can agree that there is a need for the porn industry to be held accountable.

That's not what I mean by serious. I mean that people have a tendency to treat sex as just being a physical thing and ignore the emotional, psychological, socio-cultural and spiritual aspects of it.

I agree with that.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
It does when people feel they need to fire or divorce because of porn.



So isn't food. Don't mean to reiterate that, but it is addictive because it is such a basic desire for humans, and doesn't have to be harmful. I mean, I won't tell someone to not eat because some people get addicted to it. I will also not say don't watch porn because some people get addicted to it.

You know I can take opium and not get addicted, does that mean that others can and not get addicted? Should I tell them "Hey, I tried it a couple of times and nothing happened to me, so go ahead knock your socks off!"

What might not be harmful to me, might be harmful to others.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
You know I can take opium and not get addicted, does that mean that others can and not get addicted? Should I tell them "Hey, I tried it a couple of times and nothing happened to me, so go ahead knock your socks off!"

What might not be harmful to me, might be harmful to others.

True. Same with coffee. Or sugar. Or video games.

But how many people have died due to porn addiction? It may affect employment or relationships, but video games, sports, or coffee can do that as well.

Why is opium illegal? Or heroin? Why is coffee still legal? And pornography?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Working is a dangerous thing sometimes. As long as they are aware of the risks and consent, how is that different from the dangers in any other employment? Besides, probable is more like possible. Anyone involved in the kink scene understands that safe practice will not likely end in serious injury. Precautions need to be taken. Again, we can agree that there is a need for the porn industry to be held accountable.

I'm not talking about porn stars who are in the BDSM/kink/fetish niche of pornography. Those people are typically professionals and enjoy what they're doing. I'm referring to the more gonzo side of things like "Dog Fart".
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
True. Same with coffee. Or sugar. Or video games.

But how many people have died due to porn addiction? It may affect employment or relationships, but video games, sports, or coffee can do that as well.

Why is opium illegal? Or heroin? Why is coffee still legal? And pornography?

I am not saying that we outlaw it, I am saying that it is not a good idea to tell people who struggle with addiction that they can do it too just because you can do it without being damage. People struggle with porn addiction and they need to be encouraged to counter their addiction not to indulge it further.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I'm not talking about porn stars who are in the BDSM/kink/fetish niche of pornography. Those people are typically professionals and enjoy what they're doing. I'm referring to the more gonzo side of things like "Dog Fart".

Dog fart? I'll have to check back with you on that...:areyoucra

But yes. If there is a danger, they need accountability and the porn stars need to understand what they are getting into.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I am not saying that we outlaw it, I am saying that it is not a good idea to tell people who struggle with addiction that they can do it too just because you can do it without being damage. People struggle with porn addiction and they need to be encouraged to counter their addiction not to indulge it further.

I agree. :yes:

I don't think that's been my stance. My first post was general, but so wasn't the OP.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Dog fart? I'll have to check back with you on that...:areyoucra

Please don't bother. Gonzo porn is rather gross and a waste of time.

But yes. If there is a danger, they need accountability and the porn stars need to understand what they are getting into.
I'm talking about stuff like this:
Cameron Bay, Porn Performer With HIV, Recalls Disturbing Experiences On Set, Where Condoms Weren't Used (EXCLUSIVE)
Blood, Sweat and Sex: My Hard Life in Porn - The Daily Beast
 
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Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan

Last link didn't work, but I do agree that these are good examples of how the porn industry needs to change.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Doesn't look like a criticism of the concept of porn itself, but rather of the current manifestation of the industry, which is absolutely harmful if it's the only exposure to sexual expression a person has.

I didn't say it was a critique of porn itself. I was rebutting the ideas of some that porn is harmless.
 
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