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Love the sinner hate the sin?

Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Mike182 said:
they would have the right to, but instead of putting up a defensive, i would respectfully back away

i think im going to do that now as well, it late and im tired. my tiredness has reached the extent where this thread no longer makes coherent sense........ blessed be :kissbette
mike
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Cool, take care.
 
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Squirt

Well-Known Member
pdoel said:
Personally, I think we've all been saved from Sin as a result of Jesus Christ's death. We all are sinners. I think too many people forget that and only seem to like to tell of other people's sins they see as being wrong.
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Do you think we are saved even when we make no effort whatsoever to repent? Do you think that Jesus' sacrifice paid for the sins of those who devote their entire lives to being wicked?

We all sin. No sin is greater or worse than another. But through Jesus Christ, we are all saved. Case closed.
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I would totally agree that we are all in equal need of a Savior, since God requires us to be free from sin in order to enter into His presence. On the other hand, I have a really hard time believing that the person who loses his temper and flips off some guy on the freeway has commited as serious a sin as the guy who pulls out a gun and shoots him. Surely you don't believe that, do you?

I'm pretty sure I must have at least sort of misread you. Would you care to comment or clarify what you mean? Thanks.
 
jamaesi

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
How is this relevant to the topic again?
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You're telling me that homosexuals are struggling with the sin of homosexuality.
Are my comments unwelcome because I disagree with you?
 
Aqualung

Aqualung

Tasty
I know that. It was inappropriately directed at Victor, since it was me who said it in the first place.

I said they were struggling.
 
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Squirt

Well-Known Member
Okay, there are certain behaviors I believe to be sinful. In some instances, I was taught that they were sinful. In other instances, my conscience just says, "That's not right. Don't do it." I find these behaviors "wrong." I don't believe I should engage in them and I don't believe you should engage in them. However, you may engage in any sort of behavior you want as long as it doesn't affect me, and you won't hear me telling you to stop. You won't hear me calling you a sinner or telling you that God's gonna be mad! I'll leave that up to Him. I'm sure He knows the whole picture a whole lot better than I do. He knows your heart; I don't, as much as I sometimes may think I do. He knows your background, your "wiring," your life experiences. To me, you're just a person on an internet forum who's trying to get through this life the best you can. I'll cut you some slack and I hope you'll cut me some. Sometimes it's best not to say everything that pops into our heads -- especially where other people's feelings are concerned.
 
turk179

turk179

I smell something....
This is an excellent thread(frubals to you Aqualung) and I actually read every post:eek:.
Aqualung said:
Is this even possible anymore? Every time I mention a hate for a sin, I automatically get labeled as hateful, spiteful, judgemental, hypocritical, un-christ-like, and a miriad of other insults (which, BTW, are directed at me, and not my "sin"). Is it now the societal expectation that I love sin, as well as the sinner? After all, Paul told us to be in the world, but not of the world. You can't do that without recognising sin and disliking it enough to stay away from it. Christ taught us to love our neighbour as ourself, not love everything the neighbour the does. Can you love the sinner and hate the sin?
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I believe that the answer to this question is inevitably yes. You can love the sinner but hate the sin. The only problem with this is that everyone has a different opinion of what sin is. Even Christians can differ as to their opinion of what the Bible calls a sin. I also believe that hate is a very strong word. I believe that a person can recognize what they believe to be a sin and live their lives apposing that sin without hating it.
 
Ðanisty

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
I would totally agree that we are all in equal need of a Savior, since God requires us to be free from sin in order to enter into His presence.
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And how do people who do not believe in Jesus as the savior, etc. fit into this? I would assume that such sinners are not welcome in his presence. How do Christians deal with the fact that some would prefer not to be in God's presence? Sometimes, people on this forum forget, when debating religion, that not all members here are Christian. I want to hear how you take non-Christians into account. How do you deal with it?
 
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Squirt

Well-Known Member
Ðanisty said:
And how do people who do not believe in Jesus as the savior, etc. fit into this? I would assume that such sinners are not welcome in his presence. How do Christians deal with the fact that some would prefer not to be in God's presence? Sometimes, people on this forum forget, when debating religion, that not all members here are Christian. I want to hear how you take non-Christians into account. How do you deal with it?
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I definitely don't think God's going to force anyone to be in His presence who doesn't want to be. If you, for example, would be happier elsewhere, I would imagine that He'll respect your feelings in the matter.
 
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wmam

Active Member
Evenstar said:
Talking of sin.... Its also a sin to use your tongue, to bad mouth people. James 3:8 to 10
But that does not stop some... now lets turn this around a touch.​
You are saying about sinning, but before you look in someone else's closet, check your own..... Not one of us are that perfect.
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Just trying to understand your understanding of..........

Jam 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Jam 3:9 Therewith bless we Elohim, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of Elohim.
Jam 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

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G2672
καταράομαι
kataraomai
kat-ar-ah'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G2671; to execrate; by analogy to doom: - curse.

Yes I believe to put a curse on someone is bad mouthing but I am not sure of your understanding of this.
 
jeffrey

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
wmam said:
Just trying to understand your understanding of..........

Jam 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Jam 3:9 Therewith bless we Elohim, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of Elohim.
Jam 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

curse 2672

G2672
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kataraomai
kat-ar-ah'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G2671; to execrate; by analogy to doom: - curse.

Yes I believe to put a curse on someone is bad mouthing but I am not sure of your understanding of this.
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It's not saying putting a curse on someone. The chapter's talking about taming the tongue. Talking bad about someone, then praising God.. IMO.
 
dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Ðanisty said:
And how do people who do not believe in Jesus as the savior, etc. fit into this? I would assume that such sinners are not welcome in his presence. How do Christians deal with the fact that some would prefer not to be in God's presence? Sometimes, people on this forum forget, when debating religion, that not all members here are Christian. I want to hear how you take non-Christians into account. How do you deal with it?
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From this Christian's perspective and from my interpretation of the Bible...you are either FOR or AGAINST God...there are no inbetweens.

If one decides they want nothing to do with God...well there you go. That individual will not spend eternity with God...period.

Christianity is a choice. No one can force an individual to accept Christ.
 
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