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Love the sinner hate the sin?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Aqualung, Feb 14, 2006.

  1. Ðanisty

    Ðanisty Well-Known Member

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    It is not the choice of whether or not I walk Lucifer's path though. It is the choice of either recognizing it or walking in ignorance. You claim to be able to literally choose whether or not you believe in God....that's not the same thing!
     
  2. jamaesi

    jamaesi To Save A Lamb

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    Homosexuality isn't something that is chosen.

    Saying hating homosexuality is okay because you're trying to keep them out of sin is about as ridiculous as trying to keep a black person out of their dark skin by saying only white skin is good.
     
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  3. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    :rolleyes: ....ok Danisty, I'm done with the word games.
     
  4. jeffrey

    jeffrey †ßig Dog†

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    Some religions believe it's a sin to eat pork. So, if someone criticized you for eating pork, told you it's a sin, told you if you didn't stop, preached end on end of how it's a sin, tried to change you because it's wrong..... But they don't. Because, IMO, they don't hate the sin. Disagree with it, don't partake in it, but don't try and stop you from it. Big difference.
     
  5. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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  6. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    Isn't this kinda like a smoker telling a non-smoker not to smoke?
     
  7. standing_alone

    standing_alone Well-Known Member

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    Time for a stupid inane post from me! :)clap ) Ever since I first encountered Betty Bowers, whenever I hear the phrase "Love the sinner, hate the sin" I always think of this:

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    I'll now let you go back to your debate.:D
     
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  8. jeffrey

    jeffrey †ßig Dog†

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    LOL. Good point. In all fairness, I neither see you or any Catholic trying to instate their beliefs on others. You believe in your heart what's right for you, and you will never hear me say that what you believe in is wrong for you.
     
  9. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    That's fine Jeffrey and I will try my best not to do that either. Although I personally don't mind if you tell me I'm wrong. If you love a person you will want to help them, don't you think?
     
  10. dawny0826

    dawny0826 Mother Heathen

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    Exactly! :D
     
  11. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    you see, this all depends on what you deem as sin

    if you see homosexuality as sin, then you will try to help all homosexuals become hetrosexual - and i will ask you to respectfully back down, and not try to change me, because i cannot see how a loving bond between any consenting people is dirty, filthy and sinful

    where are you left then? by your definition, when you are no longer able to "help the sinner out of sin" all you are left with is the "hate, despise and rejection" - this is of course providing that rejection of sin goes hand in hand with helping the sinner out of sin as you suggest it does

    Danisty - you shall be karmatised as soon as ive spread some:D
     
  12. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    What would you do if you saw someone struggling with sin? Just think of something you personally identify as a sin and run with it.
     
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  13. gnomon

    gnomon Well-Known Member

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    This is sheer nonsense.
     
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  14. Evenstar

    Evenstar The Wicked Christian

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    Talking of sin.... Its also a sin to use your tongue, to bad mouth people. James 3:8 to 10
    But that does not stop some... now lets turn this around a touch.​
    You are saying about sinning, but before you look in someone else's closet, check your own..... Not one of us are that perfect.
     
  15. jeffrey

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    Like telling them not to eat pork? :D
     
  16. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    I would personally not waist my time with something like that. I was thinking of more day to day type of struggles, like drug addictions, etc.
     
  17. Aqualung

    Aqualung Tasty

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    I would accept it. I would love that they are addicted to drugs! Howe fun! After all, I don't want to be judgemental. :rolleyes:
     
  18. jeffrey

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    When people tell me I'm sinning, tell me my path is wrong, when God has led me down this path, who I'm I to believe? In the same way, I will not tell you what you are doing is a sin, not my call. When you tell people that what they do is a sin... maybe for you, but not for them. If what someone else does, if it does not harm you or anyone else, let them be.
     
  19. standing_alone

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    :clap Now that's the idea!:D
     
  20. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    i would first see if they really are struggling with it

    i do not "struggle" with homosexuality

    i personally would struggle with having an affair, because i personally don't like the idea of an affair, i think that if i had an affair i would be betraying someone, and it would be wrong of me

    but this is my own personal subjective morality, not everyones - if someone really was genuinley struggling with something, i would offer to help, its their right to refuse, and if they refused, i would respectfully back off

    i personally could never take a human life, but in some cultures it is deemed as acceptable as a form of revenge or as a form of survival. morality is not fixed, it is not objective (IMO) it is different for every single person, and as such, the ethics of one person cannot be applied to everyone when it comes to issues of consentual activities

    i think that was a tangent about how i view morality........ perhaps a seperate thread if someone wishes to explore this deeper
     
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