Wildswanderer
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So drugs can be controlled if you make enough laws?Another economics fail on your part. The drug problem is not the same as the gun problem.
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So drugs can be controlled if you make enough laws?Another economics fail on your part. The drug problem is not the same as the gun problem.
I don't care about tradition. Obviously it's been both ways in history. Unless it's in scripture, it's just tradition.Why one Earth do you think that would be in scripture? No wonder that you cannot find it. That would be recorded in history.
Was that said or implied? Drugs are not the same as guns.So drugs can be controlled if you make enough laws?
Then you just admitted that @metis was right.I don't care about tradition. Obviously it's been both ways in history. Unless it's in scripture, it's just tradition.
Really?? Then why no link?Actually there are a lot that have been stopped by armed security or citizens.
At least 69 mass shootings have been stopped by armed civilians since 1990, data collected by the Crime Prevention Research Center shows.
Why would you assume guns can be controlled by laws, when it's not working on drugs? Especially now that guns can be made at home.Was that said or implied? Drugs are not the same as guns.
69 mass shootings have been stopped by armed civilians – One Armed ManReally?? Then why no link?
About what? He's trying to say that the Bible declares we can't defend ourselves or others. That's not been a consistent position of the church.Then you just admitted that @metis was right.
Because drugs are very different from guns. There are countries that put controls on both. They were only successful with guns. That is why it is foolish to compare the two.Why would you assume guns can be controlled by laws, when it's not working on drugs? Especially now that guns can be made at home.
Where did he claim that? I must have missed that post.About what? He's trying to say that the Bible declares we can't defend ourselves or others. That's not been a consistent position of the church.
That is not exactly a reliable source. They do not show how they arrived at that claim. They only made the same claim that you did. That is not supporting a claim.
That's the definition of a mass shooting. If he'd killed two more it would qualify.That is not exactly a reliable source. They do not show how they arrived at that claim. They only made the same claim that you did. That is not supporting a claim.
Meanwhile the one example they gave was ludicrous:
One recent example of armed civilians stopping a mass shooting was in February, when an armed robber drew his weapon at a gun range. After killing two people, armed civilians spring into action and killed him before he had a chance to kill others.
Wow! An idiot tried to hold up a bunch of armed people and after shooting a couple he was killed himself. Not exactly the best example.
Whoosh!! Another point going over your head. There was no denial about his intent to be a mass shooter. He qualifies even if he shot and killed only two because his intent was clear. That was not why that example was very poor.That's the definition of a mass shooting. If he'd killed two more it would qualify.
Scripture is part of tradition as it doesn't emerge just out of thin air.Unless it's in scripture, it's just tradition.
The benchmark here in the States is four or more shot at random or were just bystanders whether they were all killed or not.That's the definition of a mass shooting. If he'd killed two more it would qualify.
We had over 45,000 gun deaths in 2021-- do the math.
And guns are the perfect tool to do that.Well, if I'm defending the defenseless I sure as shooting want to do it efficiently.
His figure was over a ten or fifteen year period. But to be fair your figure included all shootings. There were "only" 692 mass shootings that year. Since his figure was from I am fairly sure 15 years, but may have been from only ten we need to divide his by at least ten and we get about 6'at best. Or 1% of mass shootings being stopped by citizens. And that is by using numbers from a dubious source.We had over 45,000 gun deaths in 2021-- do the math.
Yes, and my point is that if the proliferation of guns is supposedly making us safer, then why are the figures much, much lower? Common sense has it that the more guns, the greater likelihood things could go "south". We have an estimated 410,000,000 guns in American society for roughly 340,000,000 people, and then we wonder there are so many homicides and accidental killings?But to be fair your figure included all shootings. There were "only" 692 mass shootings that year.
Why would anyone want an inefficient tool for any job?And guns are the perfect tool to do that.
As I've been saying.
Thanks.