Why I believe America will soon lose its democracy.

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I predict the U.S. will expand voting rights and become more democratic. I am guessing most Americans soon would agree with the enfranchisement of non citizen workers having a vote for how their tax payments should be distributed and how their working conditions should be regulated. Also, I am confident most felons will someday soon become eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes should very well help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.

If the U.S. were to allow our migrant workers to vote, we would even be more democratic than Canada where voting may be restricted to citizens,

Do you have any reason for your guesses? Because, from the evidence before me, that seems like dreaming in technicolor. But of course, I'm Canadian, so what would I know?

 

[Suave]

Do you have any reason for your guesses? Because, from the evidence before me, that seems like dreaming in technicolor. But of course, I'm Canadian, so what would I know?

My conjecture here is based on demographic trends of there being more immigration staving off an older white privileged population. Border crossings have increased each month since October 2020, there are now well over 100,000 migrants each month migrating into the U,S, from Mexico.

Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos de America! Welcome to the United States of America!

 

[Subduction Zone]

He thinks right wing disinformation is news. And as far as the woman that accused Biden of sexual assault, that went nowhere. Plus it's hypocritical because Trump himself has 26 accusations of sexual assault, and is known to to have paid to have sex with porn stars while cheating on his wife. So, double standard to the extreme.


Harris does not seem that progressive to me. At most she is a strong advocate for women and minorities, but this advocacy seems to be working to push back on the mysogyny and racism of the Republicans.

Now before the resident MAGAs point to the token women and minorities who are Republican, these are anomalies, not the norm. The norm Republican is white male.

The inconsistency is glaring. I wonder how many Trump voters would change if they new the truth about Trump. Sadly probably not all that many.

 

[Ella S.]

"Democracy" is a buzzword that has never had an agreed-upon, concrete definition. We call the countries we like "democracies" and the ones we don't "regimes." It's just loaded language. It doesn't actually mean anything.

 

[esmith]

If you believe in that, I must assume that you have a very distant, flexible, loose relationship with truth and facts.

Not saying one way or another about "stolen elections" since a Republican and a Democrat said their election was stolen.
As far as represed stories goes, was the Hunter Biden laptop story suppressed?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I've said this in many threads, that my observations tell me that the Great American Experiment with democracy is, in the past few years and continuing for the next few, failing -- and that democracy is likely to soon be "in name only," and eventually disappear. But let me tell you why I think this is true. And it really is the simplest reason of all:

When a nation (or a very significant proportion of it) becomes convinced that they can't trust their own elections -- as the Trump "Big Lie" seems to have done for a huge number of people -- that when it doesn't go their way it can only be because it was "stolen" from them, well, what is left except violence to decide who gets to rule?

You're almost there, America. How are you going to find your way back to a real democracy, "a Republic, if you can keep it?"

Yea well.

Blame the nanny state and the blatant disregard for the Constitution that is continually under attack from those who eagerly rule by mandate and compulsary policy.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"Democracy" is a buzzword that has never had an agreed-upon, concrete definition. We call the countries we like "democracies" and the ones we don't "regimes." It's just loaded language. It doesn't actually mean anything.

I agree with that since the truth is that it's a representative republic, although that descriptor is in serious question these days.

 

[osgart]

Social security for the retired and disabled is only fair. There's nothing nanny about that.

 

[Heyo]

I assume you are talking about the democrats?

Hardly. The Reps are the ones trying to suppress the vote, trying to gerrymander the states, and trying to overturn elections. They already have a concerted plan to dominate election boards and overturn any results they don't like.

As long as you focus on the parties, you will never understand the problem.
One party alone can never undermine democracy against the will of the people. They need allies. Unfortunately they have them in biased media sources which don't care about truth and lobby groups which don't care about democracy.

 

[Heyo]

This is where I think we are heading.

This is where I think you are.

There have been periods in U.S. history where one party had a relatively lopsided advantage over the other, such as in the decades following the Civil War when Republicans had the advantage. Then there was the era of the Depression and WW2, when Democrats were on top.

But there was never a time when one party had total control over everything. That would be unprecedented.

There is now. The one party which is ruling the US is money. Dems and pubs are their puppets. No matter which side of the political aisle you are, you are always on the side of capitalism.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Yea well.

Blame the nanny state and the blatant disregard for the Constitution that is continually under attack from those who eagerly rule by mandate and compulsary policy.

How else would politicians govern, if not by mandate and policy?

 

[The Hammer]

There is now. The one party which is ruling the US is money.

This is the biggest problem in US politics and I've been saying it since day 1 (that I've *****ed about politics online).

 

[LuisDantas]

Not saying one way or another about "stolen elections" since a Republican and a Democrat said their election was stolen.
As far as represed stories goes, was the Hunter Biden laptop story suppressed?

"Never Play Defense". I have learned of that dishonest tactic of changing the subject in order to appear macho and defiant at all times, even if it takes parroting feeble, repeatedly disproven conspiracy theories or even lying outright.

It is pathetic and a big cause of moral damage to the GOP and structural damage to democracy.

 

[Sedim Haba]

It's a two-party-system with no possibility of a third party so it's a dual-dictatorship with "choice" of Tweedledee or Tweedledum, both corrupt and utterly worthless.

 

[Twilight Hue]

How else would politicians govern, if not by mandate and policy?

That's for dictatorships and monarchies, not free society.

 

[England my lionheart]

Watched this last night,”Unfit:The psychology of Donal Trump”,funny and scary,his assault on democracy,comparisons to Hitler Mussolini Putin etc.

Really I was flabbergasted when America elected this man but much more worrying are the people who put him there,if Trump mirrors a substantial amount of American people who are willing to kiss goodbye to democracy your in deep **** IMO.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What a crock. The last election was stolen by the left suppressing information.

Don't you see the irony of how you are literally confirming what he's saying?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The fact that legitimate news was suppressed in order to win an election means nothing to you?

"fact"?

So far you have only bare claims.

 

[exchemist]

The main question I have is what form the collapse will take.

One possibility is a civil war, possibly at a low intensity. that could easily lead to military rule.

The other possibility is a one party state that has 'elections' that it has manipulated to the point that they always win. This seems the more likely possibility.

Don't forget that the emperors of ancient Rome kept the Senate around for form while actually ruling with an iron fist.

I agree. Putin-style - or Erdogan-style - elections, that keeps a ruling Republican party in power, seems the most likely route, accompanied by massive distrust and cynicism about the election system that keeps voter turnout low. A less likely outcome is that Democrats win the next election, whereupon the civil war option would be triggered, by Republicans refusing to accept the result.

Either way, US genuine democracy is likely to end, brought down, ironically, by the party of Abraham Lincoln.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Watched this last night,”Unfit:The psychology of Donal Trump”,funny and scary,his assault on democracy,comparisons to Hitler Mussolini Putin etc.

Really I was flabbergasted when America elected this man but much more worrying are the people who put him there,if Trump mirrors a substantial amount of American people who are willing to kiss goodbye to democracy your in deep **** IMO.

Democrats are an equal threat to democracy.