Audie
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Me too.And I'm glad you didn't.
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Me too.And I'm glad you didn't.
And you are here with us and with others.
If someone wants to commit suicide they will find a way to do it, gun availible or not.
The stats show that this isn't true for most people.If someone wants to commit suicide they will find a way to do it, gun availible or not.
For that reason, by the way, I am very much in favour of Canada's (and other nations') physician assisted end of life laws. A chance to consider, with expert help, and then when the final decision is duly made, something a little tidier and less dramatic than brains splattered on the kitchen wall.Suicide is a person's right (IMO).
However, before doing it, it should get
careful consideration, & perhaps therapy.
Also, suicide without assistance is unreliable.For that reason, by the way, I am very much in favour of Canada's (and other nations') physician assisted end of life laws. A chance to consider, with expert help, and then when the final decision is duly made, something a little tidier and less dramatic than brains splattered on the kitchen wall.
Since the largest cause of death in the US by firearms is suicide,
What can be done to prevent firearm suicide?
And should we? Does a person have a right to decide for themselves to end their life?
Should we take this decision out of the hands of the individual?
America's gun culture in charts
You brought it up, I'm just stating a fact.Do you really want to debate this one? Is that really even worth saying and necessary?
Did I even claim that? No. I was pointing out suicide by gun isn't guaranteed quick and a success.You brought it up, I'm just stating a fact.
The problem with most anti-gun backers when it comes to suicide by gun is that they blame the gun not the real problem.
They seem to think...... remove the gun and you reduce suicides
Shotguns fail more than any other firearm due to the recoil.How?
I don't see how this would help unless you ban all guns.
A single cartridge shotgun would be adequate.
Drunk or not, guns can be problematic with impulsive violence.Yes, although I would imagine that if someone of that mindset has easy access to a gun, then it'll make it more likely that they'll act on impulse, particularly if as @Guitar's Cry said, they're drunk at the time. But gun owners don't want to give up their guns. It makes "...from my cold, dead hands!" seem tragically appropriate...
Shotguns fail more than any other firearm due to the recoil.
It is a good way to highlight the "tough guy" fantasies people have put into guns. They're often viewed as great things that always work. But they won't always defend you, they won't even always take your life.Yeah, I suspect it's not a good idea to discuss more successful methods of suicide on the forums but your point is noted.
Maybe, maybe not. It still should not be legal.I would consider any law against murdering oneself as being unenforceable.
Yes, but they also should have a right to psychological treatment so that they don't feel like they have to.Does a person have a right to decide for themselves to end their life?
It puts up barriers that can help deter spur of the moment decisions.And how does that solve the problem that a person wants to end their life.
Wants and desires are not binary, and suicide can come from spur of the moment decisions that would later be regretted, if that person survived.If someone wants to commit suicide they will find a way to do it, gun availible or not.
Let me guess, you consider restricting access to guns for people suffering from clinical depression and suicidal tendencies to be totally out of the question until and unless society has completely eradicated depression altogether.But wait, while we have been discussing how to decrease suicide by gun, we actually never addressed the principle causes of suicide. That most basic question was completely subverted from the very beginning by the misleading statistics quoted in the OP about guns. Statistics like those from the OP are used to justify gun control despite a lack of gun control not being the primary cause of any of the problems.
Causes of suicide include Depression, Psychosis, and Social Isolation. Contemplated Suicide is seen as an escape from the current "life" situation. A gun, like a cliff, is seen as a means to an end. Some really good questions come out of proper information about the subject:
How can we help people avoid the pitfalls of social isolation?These are questions that directly address major causes of suicide. This is the sort of thing that might make a real difference for someone. If these conditions can be improved, then it will be a lasting benefit.
How can we uplift other people who are feeling hopeless?
How can we help people improve their inner thought life?
Yes, but they also should have a right to psychological treatment so that they don't feel like they have to.
"Gun culture is necessary because I'm surrounded by threats because of gun culture."Any suicide is regrettable. However we should also consider how many times using a gun saves lives. Guns are more often used in defense of life than in taking of it.
Any Study Of 'Gun Violence' Should Include How Guns Save Lives