whats your beef with brexit?

[TagliatelliMonster]

A treaty within the EU should include all countries. Not just two.

Why?

Can't political parties within a single country collaborate without including all the other political parties?
Nothing in the treaty is in violation with european rules. In fact, much of the treaty is based on a motivation for a stronger europe. There's nothing in there "against" europe or "against" other EU members.

I'm still waiting on you to give a concrete example of something in the treaty which is supposedly unfair.

It is implied that the EU is a pactum inter pares, that is all members are equally important.

Is there something in the treaty that violates that or which makes other member less important or even irrelevant? If not, then what is the problem?

Let's not forget that Aachen was the capital of the HRE.

So?



edit: also, as usual with anti-EU complainers, I can't help but to get a feeling here that it's again a game of "heads I win, tails you lose"... because if the EU would "forbid" such treaties among a select few member nations, then people like you would hold that up as an example of how the EU takes away sovereignity and "dictates" what members can and can't do. Why is it that I always have this feeling?

Same with your previous comment where you basically said that the EU should simply bend over and comply to any and all demands of the UK "no matter what they ask" (= your exact words). If they would, you'ld call them "weak".

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
It's painfully obvious.

 

[Altfish]

A treaty within the EU should include all countries. Not just two. France and Germany.
It is implied that the EU is a pactum inter pares, that is all members are equally important.
Let's not forget that Aachen was the capital of the HRE.

It does include all countries.

 

[Estro Felino]

So?

So...the HRE included Italy too...so this treaty should have been trilateral, at least.

 

[Martin]

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[TagliatelliMonster]

So...the HRE included Italy too...so this treaty should have been trilateral, at least.

I'm afraid I don't follow.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm afraid I don't follow.

Is it a EU or a Franco-German alliance? This union.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Is it a EU or a Franco-German alliance? This union.

Still waiting on you to be give a concrete example.....................................................................

 

[Estro Felino]

Still waiting on you to be give a concrete example.....................................................................

I told you...the Treaty of Aachen should have included Italy too...since Italy is a G7 member too.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I told you...the Treaty of Aachen should have included Italy too...since Italy is a G7 member too.

But you said it was unfair to "the rest of the EU". Why are you talking about Italy? What about the 20+ other nations? And how is it unfair? You still haven't answered this question.

What is in that treaty that is so unfair to all other EU nations, incl Italy, except for France and Germany?

Sounds like you are simply complaining for the sake of complaining.
Do you even have an actual complaint, or do you just want to diss the EU?

Seems the latter. Just like I said in that previous post.... if the EU would "forbid" such treaties between 2 member states, then guys like you would hold that up as an example of how the EU "dictates" and is "authoritarian" and how members "lose their sovereignty". And if they allow it, then it is supposedly "unfair" (although you can't seem to explain just how it is unfair, since I've asked you about 4 times now and still I got nothing).

 

[Altfish]

I told you...the Treaty of Aachen should have included Italy too...since Italy is a G7 member too.

Why?
Italy, according to you, would not want more cooperation ... would it?

 

[Estro Felino]

But you said it was unfair to "the rest of the EU".

Does it mean that Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy can create a sub-union on their own?

 

[Altfish]

Does it mean that Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy can create a sub-union on their own?

It's not a sub-union; it's just a written document outlining co-operation between the nations.
Yes, you can have an agreement with whoever you want BUT I thought you were for conflict not agreement.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's not a sub-union; it's just a written document outlining co-operation between the nations.
Yes, you can have an agreement with whoever you want BUT I thought you were for conflict not agreement.

No...I am for treaties. As long they are fair to all the signing members.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Does it mean that Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy can create a sub-union on their own?

Your dishonest loaded question is noted.

The treaty does not create a "sub-union", any more then cooperation between Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxemburg does.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No...I am for treaties. As long they are fair to all the signing members.

Once again you insinuate that this particular treaty between Germany and France is "unfair" to other member states.

Are you going to justify this claim any time soon?
I've only asked you 5 times...

 

[Estro Felino]

Your dishonest loaded question is noted.

The treaty does not create a "sub-union", any more then cooperation between Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxemburg does.

Visegrad Group is a sub-union. The Nordic Council too. I do not see why there shouldnt be a Mediterranean Union with superior powers to those of the EU.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Visegrad Group is a sub-union. The Nordic Council too. I do not see why there shouldnt be a Mediterranean Union with superior powers to those of the EU.

More claims, still no justifications.

All bark and no bite.

I'm not going to ask a 6th time.

Instead, I'll just draw the obvious conclusion.

Good talk.

 

[ChristineM]

Visegrad Group is a sub-union. The Nordic Council too. I do not see why there shouldnt be a Mediterranean Union with superior powers to those of the EU.

So form one, a bunch of countries that were failing prior to the EU must have something to offer.


But i think you are under a deliberate misapprehension, no local group overrides the EU but are complimentary to their region

 

[Estro Felino]

So form one, a bunch of countries that were failing prior to the EU must have something to offer.

Italy was not failing before 1992.

 

[ChristineM]

Italy was not failing before 1992.

The south enjoyed massive unemployment and poor wages. The north was slightly better in that there was some industry.

The Lira was most certainly not a hot currency. As a kid we holidayed in italy. I remember well getting change for purchases in sweets that were worth more than the cents.