pbuh

[Vinayaka]

i find honouriums mildly interesting. In legislatures, everyone says, "Mr. Speaker". The Queen of England is 'Her Majesty' if talking about her, and 'Your Majesty' if directly. I'd be happy calling her Liz. The Pope and the Dalai Lama get "His Holiness". In Hinduism the syllable 'ji' is added as an indicator of respect.

Personally I find 'pbuh' just very similar to that. Until an Islamic person come along with a better explanation, I'll think it's merely a long held tradition.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I’m not sure how my tenure is relevant here.

It may not be relevant in your case. Many, however, tend to post debates in the Debate Forums and pursue discussions in the Discussion Forums.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It may not be relevant in your case. Many, however, tend to post debates in the Debate Forums and pursue discussions in the Discussion Forums.

Unless they wish to start a discussion on a topic with the intent of affording members latitude to offer up counterpoints to challenge what other say on the subject.

 

[stvdv]

For those who don't already know, "pbuh" is an acronym for "peace be upon him."

Why do people find it necessary to place this after then name of a prophet or messenger when writing or speaking their name? I commonly see this used when Muslims speak of Muhammed, and less frequently see it used with others, such as Jesus (okay, I only saw this once).

Why must this be said or written when speaking of such a person? Are they somehow deserving of more peace than anyone else when their body perishes? Why is it not just assumed?

I just read this article: Mughal India ~ The Biggest Holocaust in World History | SikhNet

I am sure that it is needed to say, because of all the atrocities done in name of Muhammad and Allah
And they need to do it as long as Islam exists, because what they have done is too bad for words

 

[Spirit of Light]

I just read this article: Mughal India ~ The Biggest Holocaust in World History | SikhNet

I am sure that it is needed to say, because of all the atrocities done in name of Muhammad and Allah
And they need to do it as long as Islam exists, because what they have done is too bad for words

Islam as a teaching has never done anything wrong.
People who call them self muslims can and have done wrong in the past.
I think it is very important to see the difference here.

 

[Windwalker]

It may not be relevant in your case. Many, however, tend to post debates in the Debate Forums and pursue discussions in the Discussion Forums.

As an FYI, I tend to put all discussion topics in debate sections, because it's less confusing forum-wise, in case someone feels they wish to express disagreement with something.

Some tend to take disagreements as the same thing as debates in discussions, when they are in fact just part of normal discussions. Put it in a debate forum, and that way there is no question, and the discussion can proceed without debating if disagreements should be considered debates or not. I wouldn't be surprised if others do the same thing, without sinister motives.

 

[Windwalker]

To add to the topic, there is also SWT I see used a lot I've seen as well. Typically used after saying Allah, as it means "The most glorified, the most high".

I think these are cultural customs. I don't think they are necessarily religious laws, I assume.

 

[Revoltingest]

See Durood Shareef.

So it's all about one's personal benefit in the afterlife.

 

[Rival]

Some Jews have the custom to say 'Of blessed memory' after mentioning a prophet, king, etc. Moses is usually 'Moshe Rabbeinu' (Moshe our teacher) and Avraham is 'Avraham Avinu' (Avraham our father).

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So it's all about one's personal benefit in the afterlife.

Ritual works on a number of levels. Denigrate it as you wish.

 

[Vinayaka]

Islam as a teaching has never done anything wrong.
People who call them self muslims can and have done wrong in the past.
I think it is very important to see the difference here.

The Greeks were the founders of democracy, and get great credit for that. The problem is that the Greeks also has slaves, lots of them. So the argument about democracy falls apart right there. Democracy applies to citizens only. In the middle ages, with Islam, Hindus were considered non-human, just like animals. So all the 'peace' stuff in the Koran could easily be interpreted as applying to humans, but not to animals, right? Since Hindus were animals, it was fine to just kill them off indiscriminately.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ritual works on a number of levels. Denigrate it is you wish.

I read what your link said.
An excerpt....
Muslims hope that, through the blessings of the Durood and Salaams, Almighty Allah will forgive them of their sins and increase their status in this world and in the Hereafter. The Malaa'ikah hope that Almighty Allah will increase their status.

I respect selfishness.
But I do not respect pretense that it's wrong, while simultaneously pursuing it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The Greeks were the founders of democracy, and get great credit for that. The problem is that the Greeks also has slaves, lots of them. So the argument about democracy falls apart right there. Democracy applies to citizens only. In the middle ages, with Islam, Hindus were considered non-human, just like animals. So all the 'peace' stuff in the Koran could easily be interpreted as applying to humans, but not to animals, right? Since Hindus were animals, it was fine to just kill them off indiscriminately.

I can not speak for what happend in the middle age

 

[Vinayaka]

I can not speak for what happend in the middle age

You're denying it happened?

 

[Spirit of Light]

You're denying it happened?

Did i say that?
I say i can not take responsibility for what someone other then my self do. If an other muslim kill an other human, am i to be blamed for that since i am a muslim too?

 

[Vinayaka]

Did i say that?
I say i can not take responsibility for what someone other then my self do. If an other muslim kill an other human, am i to be blamed for that since i am a muslim too?

No but denial is another matter altogether. You didn't answer that question. A Jewish holocaust denier is just wrong about that. But the Hindu holocaust is different. For one, western historians have written it out of the history books, and 2, Hindus don't count. Do you know how many Indian non-citizen cheap labourers are working in places like Saudi, and Dubai? The leaders of your faith are exploiters.

Is the watcher partly to blame in a school yard fight?

Edited: I will be out. This will go nowhere. I'm sorry that you've taken on a more dogmatic faith. Best wishes.

 

[Windwalker]

Did i say that?
I say i can not take responsibility for what someone other then my self do. If an other muslim kill an other human, am i to be blamed for that since i am a muslim too?

Being part of a system of systemic racism, for instance, does not mean you play no role in it, whether or not you overtly engage in it. A systemic problem, is every participant's problem. It is part of the lineage's history, and therefore you own it in one way or another.

Has Islam denounced this unjust past? That might mean something.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Being part of a system of systemic racism, for instance, does not mean you play no role in it, whether or not you overtly engage in it. A systemic problem, is every participant's problem. It is part of the lineage's history, and therefore you own it in one way or another.

Has Islam denounced this unjust past? That might mean something.

I disagree. That sounds like some secular progressive version of original sin. It's unjust to assign guilt to people for merely being born into a certain culture.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Being part of a system of systemic racism, for instance, does not mean you play no role in it, whether or not you overtly engage in it. A systemic problem, is every participant's problem. It is part of the lineage's history, and therefore you own it in one way or another.

Has Islam denounced this unjust past? That might mean something.

Not to defend those who kill or damage the life of others, but has Christianity denounsed the killing of muslims or non Christian people at the time Christianity was riding around europe killing people who did not convert?

 

[FearGod]

For those who don't already know, "pbuh" is an acronym for "peace be upon him."

Why do people find it necessary to place this after then name of a prophet or messenger when writing or speaking their name? I commonly see this used when Muslims speak of Muhammed, and less frequently see it used with others, such as Jesus (okay, I only saw this once).

Why must this be said or written when speaking of such a person? Are they somehow deserving of more peace than anyone else when their body perishes? Why is it not just assumed?

Imagine that you were chosen by God to deliver the message and you have to
face all kind of hardship just to deliver the message and you'll sacrifice your
own self just to deliver the message to people and stand against the world
emperors to do your job, doesn't you deserve a few words of respect,
the prophet in his last words before his death asked people to gather
to deliver his last speech, he said be witnessed I delivered the message.