Oral Sex

[Sunstone]

Psychologically such oral sex can be devastating to an individual.

Devastating? More like "mind blowing". And if it isn't, you're doing it wrong.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

this sort of sex shouldn’t even be named among those who call themselves believers.

What about among those who do not consider themselves believers? I am extremely comfortable and happy in my state of disbelief... especially considering my witness of what I consider some of the most inane opinions on Earth coming from some of the religious or "spiritual" among us, based on their religion/beliefs - among which I count your OP one, just so you're aware.

 

[Yerda]

Devastating? More like "mind blowing". And if it isn't, you're doing it wrong.

I once recieved oral sex and I experienced some sort of brief convulsion while emitting a low groan. Are you saying this wasn't demonic possession?

 

[Sunstone]

I once recieved oral sex and I experienced some sort of brief convulsion while emitting a low groan. Are you saying this wasn't demonic possession?

I don't know much about demons except they have the best candy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Here is a paradox that should trouble the parent of any teenagers. Back in 2000 there was a study done that showed that whilst the number of teens that say they are sexually abstinent is on the rise, so is the number that have had oral sex. Many teens don’t believe oral sex counts as sex and this problem has been growing below the radar of many sex educators and clueless parents. I am going to refer to some studies done in 2000 as this is what I have access to. The study showed that since 1988, the number of boys aged between 15 – 19 who have received oral sex from a female had risen from 13% to 49.5% in the U.S. That means that even back in the year 2000, half of the country had already engaged in oral sex.

It is a mystery to me that adults have no problems giving good advice about the dangers of drugs and alcohol, but for some reason struggle to give advice to the rising generation about sex. In particular, advocates of so called comprehensive sexual education are giving mixed messages with deadly results. Whilst they theoretically advocate abstinence, they also push for widespread distribution of contraceptive devices under the assumption that kids will be sexually active and therefore need protection.

I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex. It is perverted sex. I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1. And I shouldn’t have to say anything, but I feel here on RF we’re missing some core issues that need to be addressed in today’s society. If you have engaged in this or thinking about doing so you need to ask yourself why. I can’t answer that for you. Perhaps you are watching something you have no business watching, perhaps you’re involved in pornography or perhaps it’s people that you are listening to that are leading you on. Whatever the case, Yahshua’s message is the same: repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

It’s disgusting. And for people who are seeking a holy way of life (Leviticus 19:2), this sort of sex shouldn’t even be named among those who call themselves believers. In the Kingdom of Yahweh that is coming, all such acts will be outlawed. Relationships will flourish and the husband and the wife will have true love for one another and respect each other.

I know many people have no problem with pride marches and demonstrations. Homosexuals will try to tell you that any form of sex is good sex. No it isn’t. Satan has his system and oral sex is part of his domain, not Yahweh’s domain. I still regard myself as a young person, but I have to say, the older that I get the more I see that Yahweh’s Laws are for our psychological wellbeing. They stop us from making major mistakes in life if we obey all of them. Not in the sense that following the Word doesn’t have problems - it does. Persecution is one of them. But we have the strength that comes from prayer and encouraging words from the Word to help us deal with those things. Troubling psychological fallout from giving oral sex can make girls feel exploited and they do it to be popular or make boys happy. Girls may become bitter against boys or choose not to date them and some may choose to date those of the same gender instead.

I can’t change the world but my hope and prayer is that Yahweh’s Kingdom would come soon so that people would learn what true love really means and enjoy the happiness and peace that comes from keeping the Law.

Excuse you, but I'm a grown man and I don't need people like you shaming me or preaching judgemental ignorance to me about the sexual choices I make with other adults. You do you and stop worrying about what others do in bed.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I think adultery is concerned with taking another's husband/wife as your own.

Yes, in countries legal system, specially in western and secular countries, adultery is only if a married person is involved. But in holy Books, it is more restricted, and even if two single people have sex without being married, they are committing adultery still. But adultery with a married person is considered a greater sin in the Scriptures.

 

[Rival]

Yes, in countries legal system, specially in western and secular countries, adultery is only if a married person is involved. But in holy Books, it is more restricted, and even if two single people have sex without being married, they are committing adultery still. But adultery with a married person is considered a greater sin in the Scriptures.

This is not the case in Judaism or Christianity. In Christianity this is fornication. In both traditions it takes a married partner.

 

[ecco]

...so is the number that have had oral sex. Many teens don’t believe oral sex counts as sex and this problem has been growing below the radar of many sex educators and clueless parents.

Back then, religious people started a big push for abstinence for teens. There were abstinence clubs and abstinence vows and abstinence rings. Religious people, in their blissful ignorance, believed that this would really work and that teens would want to be as puritanically pure as you.

In any event, may teens, under pressure from parents, religious educators, and some holy-roller peers got on board with the program.

In the back seats of cars and bedrooms-when-the-parents-were-not-at-home wiley, horney teens convinced themselves and each other that abstinence only meant not having missionary sex.

If you are against the widespread belief that oral sex is good, blame people like yourself for being responsible for making cunnilingus and fellatio the options of choice for an entire generation.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

This is not the case in Judaism or Christianity. In Christianity this is fornication. In both traditions it takes a married partner.

So, it is ok for two single unmarried people have sex without getting married in Jedaism and Christianity?

What is definition of fornication in Judaism? Is fornication different than adultery?

In Chrisitan Bible, Jesus said even if we look at another person with lust, we committed adultry.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (NIV, Matthew 5:27-28)

In Bahai Faith, even if two single have sex without marriage, it is called a form of adultery, but there is no punishment given for it, such as prison or paying a penalty, it would have a spiritual punishment by God in spiritual life.

 

[PureX]

I am not concerned about humans engaging in oral sex. Nor am I particularly concerned that sexually active teenagers might engage in it. I am concerned that our culture does seem to have a difficult time teaching it's young what they need to know about sexuality and sexual engagement. Because this knowledge is essential to their health and general safety. And I am particularly concerned that because the adults in our culture are not teaching them, they are learning about sexuality from pornography, which is not about sexuality, but about the exploitation of people's sexuality for personal power and profit. So that they are mimicking this kind of mindless exploitation thinking that it's what sex 'is'.

 

[ecco]

Who shall inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh. 1 Corinthians 6:9 clearly says: "Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of Yahweh? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men...shall inherit the kingdom of Yahweh."

Yet Numbers 31 says...

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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Obviously, God is OK with giving young virgins to victorious soldiers. I wonder what these victorious soldiers are going to do with these young virgins. I wonder if they are going to force these young virgins to give them oral sex before they "take" them.

It's pretty obvious to any rational persons that the guys who wrote Corinthians and Numbers were nothing more than misogynistic men who were very uptight about sex. Unfortunately, that attitude is still shared today by many men.

 

[Rival]

So, it is ok for two single unmarried people have sex without getting married in Jedaism and Christianity?

What is definition of fornication in Judaism? Is fornication different than adultery?

No, it's generally not seen as alright. It's immoral but there is no punishment for it in Judaism as far as I'm aware, whereas in some more strict Christian codes there may be.

 

[ecco]

they are learning about sexuality from pornography, which is not about sexuality, but about the exploitation of people's sexuality for personal power and profit.

There is pornography and there is pornography.

One form is movies where the male and female actors are paid substantial sums of money. I don't see those people as being exploited for personal power and profit.

Another form is the "selfie" type of porn where a man and a woman engage in mutual satisfaction in front of their own cameras and then voluntarily distribute the videos. I don't see those people as being exploited for personal power and profit.

Admittedly, some pornography is of the kind you refer to.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

*Mod post* Just a reminder to please keep convo pg-13. *Mod post*

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex. It is perverted sex. I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1.

Does this ever come up for you, though?

I mean, for it to matter that you'd refuse a woman's offer in this regard, you'd need to have a woman make the offer.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I'm sure their will be lots of LGBT people in heaven, not so much super judgmental people though IMHO

There won't be either in heaven, since heaven almost certainly does not exist.

 

[Lyndon]

Anyone that uses the bible as a sex manual is sick and twisted!!

 

[Windwalker]

I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex. It is perverted sex.

Or natural sex, depending upon whom you ask. Considering you find it in nature, in the animal kingdom as well as humans as part of that animal kingdom, that makes it natural. A perversion, is saying natural sex is wrong. That's perverting nature. Calling nature perverted, is perverted itself.

I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1.

Really? Setting aside the question of homosexuality in the Bible for the moment, where in scripture anywhere does it ever once, in any verse anywhere, say oral sex is perverted or a sin? Nowhere I'm aware of. It never says, "Only the missionary position, only with the lights off, and never use your hands or mouth for sex," except in 1 Fabricated Bible Verse 2:3.

Perhaps you are watching something you have no business watching, perhaps you’re involved in pornography or perhaps it’s people that you are listening to that are leading you on. Whatever the case, Yahshua’s message is the same: repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Here's what the Bible says about these things for you to process with a little more clarity:

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

~Romans 14:4-6
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Now apply that to what couples choose to do in their bedrooms. Let each be convinced in their own minds. As Paul continues to add:

I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.​

 

[Windwalker]

Anyone that uses the bible as a sex manual is sick and twisted!!

And not very good at it.

 

[Trailblazer]

but only if said parents believe in imaginary beings with a pathological obsession for sex.

God has no obsession for sex, humans do.
It's sad really, with all the other things people could be doing to help other people instead of helping themselves.