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Some bugger has to. Like any country, individuals cannot pick and choose what things their taxes pay for.Do British taxes also keep the Royals afloat?
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Some bugger has to. Like any country, individuals cannot pick and choose what things their taxes pay for.Do British taxes also keep the Royals afloat?
I have just been involved in a long catch up phone call a very good friend who is a thoracic surgeon. He works in a hospital very close to one of Britain's main motorways and consequently sees the results of far to many high speed pile-ups.
Despite air bags and seat belts he is called on far to often to put people back together.
One of the topics we spoke about was, after a serious accident, following perhaps several intense hours of skilled surgery involving at least one surgeon, and up to a dozen highly trained theatre staff, when it is known the victim is likely to survive and the relatives and friends are informed that the surgery was a success. Inevitably someone will say "thank God"
My friend has got past the stage of wanting to confront the god thanker, although it's been on his mind he never has asked the question.
So?
My question is why offer thanks to a god who did nothing to prevent the accident, did nothing to guide a young hopeful, aspiring to be a surgion through college, university, internship, more university, many years of honing skills to the stage the now experienced hopeful can confidently rebuild a human being. Why thank a god who did nothing to help train the theatre staff. Did nothing to help design the equipment and facilities required. Generally did nothing. Why?
Ok, rant over.
If anyone does know why there is plenty of space below to show the reason
By comparison (probably a silly one) one of our cats needed extensive treatment and hospitalisation for hypothyroidism and hepatitus. Cost £9,000. Thankfully we had insurance that covered some of it. But then there was the melanoma treatment...
The vet service should be nationalised!
Do British taxes also keep the Royals afloat?
All Royals? Even the Duke of Whoknowswheretheheckthatlittleshireis? Or just the nuclear Royal Family?Yes we do ;-)
but only in special situations such as in response to some prayers
Anyway, this nature we are in has a 100% fatality rate.
All Royals? Even the Duke of Whoknowswheretheheckthatlittleshireis? Or just the nuclear Royal Family?
Would you believe me if I told you something that sounds nearly impossible though....(?) I did not need to get it confirmed. If you have a sharp and daily pain in a foot that lasts a year and a half and after one prayer it is gone, and does not return, not even after months, not even after years.... It's more like you are amazed and hoping it's for real, and then after a few months of zero pain ever...well...then you realize something quite real happened, and you can't even think otherwise if you try. That was only one of quite a few such dramatic outcomes of various kinds I've had. A variety of different types of things, some physical, some outside of me, some profound changes inside, some in events affecting me, and just a variety. He has no limit in His reach.Do you have validated examples please?
There are occasions when surgery means that time has not yet come and provides a family extra time with a loved one.
Would you believe me if I told you something that sounds nearly impossible though....(?) I did not need to get it confirmed. If you have a sharp and daily pain in a foot that lasts a year and a half and after one prayer it is gone, and does not return, not even after months, not even after years.... It's more like you are amazed and hoping it's for real, and then after a few months of zero pain ever...well...then you realize something quite real happened, and you can't even think otherwise if you try. That was only one of quite a few such dramatic outcomes of various kinds I've had. A variety of different types of things, some physical, some outside of me, some profound changes inside, some in events affecting me, and just a variety. He has no limit in His reach.
But, yes, if you really believe this mortal life is all there is, then even just a few more years, or months....or hours in some moment, can feel huge.... I can understand that point of view. Even for believers, they can feel they are not ready, and want more time here first. But, we can also feel the most profound security, an ultimate kind.
I agree! For me it took something even more impossible and dramatic, finally, to really believe in a more full way.I don't think belief counts as validation
I find it the other way round, those most afraid of death seem to be the ones who believe they will continue after death.
I find it the other way round, those most afraid of death seem to be the ones who believe they will continue after death.
I agree! For me it took something even more impossible and dramatic, finally, to begin to start believing.
About fear of death -- while I've been near death twice, and so I know that territory. Most have not. You won't know until you are there.... No one can know until they are there. You can be unafraid now....but when you are there, then you will find out if you really are....
Not for all in any event. My father-in-law during his last days said that we had no idea how frightened he was of death. A friend who was a strong believer in life after death, welcomed death with the sense her life's work was over.
Of course, they could be exceptions, but I'm not sure how we'd find out how many there are.
And you just made @ChristineM's point --- you don't think the surgeon and operating theatre professionals had anything to do with it. What, they're just tools in the "Great Surgeon's" hands?"Thy will be done in earth..."
I don't agree with the last, reasonable idea, quite. Not quite. We know how we feel now.... I do know from experience that something truly unexpected can happen in feelings. After all, fear is simply an emotion, and those, to me at least, are not always fully predictable. They are only often predictable. Let me put it this way. It's great to know yourself. It means better than before.... But no one does fully. Not quite.My father has clinically died 3 times. He is a believer in god and is convinced that the only reason he is here today is because god is a lousy poker player.
Its not a point of being there, its a point of how people feel throughout there lives
I don't agree with the last, reasonable idea, quite. Not quite. We know how we feel now.... I do know from experience that something truly unexpected can happen in feelings. After all, fear is simply an emotion, and those, to me at least, are not always fully predictable. They are only often predictable. Let me put it this way. It's great to know yourself. It means better than before.... But no one does fully. Not quite.
lAnd you just made @ChristineM's point --- you don't think the surgeon and operating theatre professionals had anything to do with it. What, they're just tools in the "Great Surgeon's" hands?
I have just been involved in a long catch up phone call a very good friend who is a thoracic surgeon. He works in a hospital very close to one of Britain's main motorways and consequently sees the results of far to many high speed pile-ups.
Despite air bags and seat belts he is called on far to often to put people back together.
One of the topics we spoke about was, after a serious accident, following perhaps several intense hours of skilled surgery involving at least one surgeon, and up to a dozen highly trained theatre staff, when it is known the victim is likely to survive and the relatives and friends are informed that the surgery was a success. Inevitably someone will say "thank God"
My friend has got past the stage of wanting to confront the god thanker, although it's been on his mind he never has asked the question.
So?
My question is why offer thanks to a god who did nothing to prevent the accident, did nothing to guide a young hopeful, aspiring to be a surgion through college, university, internship, more university, many years of honing skills to the stage the now experienced hopeful can confidently rebuild a human being. Why thank a god who did nothing to help train the theatre staff. Did nothing to help design the equipment and facilities required. Generally did nothing. Why?
Ok, rant over.
If anyone does know why there is plenty of space below to show the reason
I have just been involved in a long catch up phone call a very good friend who is a thoracic surgeon. He works in a hospital very close to one of Britain's main motorways and consequently sees the results of far to many high speed pile-ups.
Despite air bags and seat belts he is called on far to often to put people back together.
One of the topics we spoke about was, after a serious accident, following perhaps several intense hours of skilled surgery involving at least one surgeon, and up to a dozen highly trained theatre staff, when it is known the victim is likely to survive and the relatives and friends are informed that the surgery was a success. Inevitably someone will say "thank God"
My friend has got past the stage of wanting to confront the god thanker, although it's been on his mind he never has asked the question.
So?
My question is why offer thanks to a god who did nothing to prevent the accident, did nothing to guide a young hopeful, aspiring to be a surgion through college, university, internship, more university, many years of honing skills to the stage the now experienced hopeful can confidently rebuild a human being. Why thank a god who did nothing to help train the theatre staff. Did nothing to help design the equipment and facilities required. Generally did nothing. Why?
Ok, rant over.
If anyone does know why there is plenty of space below to show the reason