Ask me stuff about the bible?

[sooda]

Yet according to the scriptures God has made His people teachers to share his Word with others. So just because we are told in the scriptures in the last days there will be many false teachers does that mean there will not be true teachers that know and share his Word and if so how will you know who is telling you the truth and who is not?

Like Scofield, Darby, Hal Lindsey, Jerry Falwell?

 

[3rdAngel]

Like Scofield, Darby, Hal Lindsey, Jerry Falwell?

No, sorry I do not follow these people. I read and prayerfully study the scriptures for my self asking God to be my guide and teacher claiming God's promises

 

[sooda]

No, sorry I do not follow these people. I read and prayerfully study the scriptures for my self asking God to be my guide and teacher claiming God's promises

Their influence is far wider than you know. Futurism, Evangelical Dispensationalism, the Rapture, innerancy, Christian Zionism all come from the doctrine of Darby and Scofield.

 

[halbhh]

Seems to me you barely, and I mean barely, scratched the surface...
Why would certain sins require death (Exo 22:18; Exo 19:12; Num 15:36; Exo 21:17) while others merely get told that the sinner and up to ten generations after merely cannot enter into the congregation (Deu 23:2; Exo 12:19)?

What of those who were to be burnt (Gen 38:24; Lev 20:14; Lev 21:9; Jer 29:22; Eze 23:25; Dan 3:19-23)

Or those who were "put under the saw", or made to walk through fire( 2Sa 12:31)

Or those who were striped ( Deu 25:3 )

Scourged with thorns (Jdg_8:16.)

mutilated (Jdg 1:6; 2Ma 7:4; 2Sa 4:12)

imprisoned, exiled or had things confiscated (Ezr 7:26; Jer 37:15; Jer 38:6; Act 4:3; Act 5:18; Act 12:4; 1Ki 2:26; 1Ki 2:36-38)

Due compensation was yet another punishment for sin ( Exo 21:18-36; Lev 24:18-21; Deu 19:21)

Stoning was rather popular (Lev 20:2; Lev 20:27; Lev 24:14; Num 14:10; Num 15:33-36; Deu 13:10; Deu 17:5; Deu 22:21; Deu 22:24; Jos 7:25; 1Ki 21:10; Eze 16:40)

Crucificion (Mat 27:35; Mat 27:38; Mar 15:24; Mar 15:27; Luk 23:33)

Beheadings (Mat 14:10; Mar 6:16; Mar 6:27; Mar 6:28)

Scourging (Lev 19:20; Deu 22:18; Deu 25:2; Deu 25:3; Pro 17:10; Pro 19:29; Pro 20:30; Mat 27:26; Mar 15:15; Luk 23:16; Joh 19:1; Act 22:24; Act 22:29)

Even hanging is mentioned (Num 25:4; 2Sa 21:6; 2Sa 21:9; Gen 40:22; Deu 21:22; Deu 21:23; Jos 8:29).

The problem with taking a list from a website (or someone's rant, or just wherever) is that website or ranter has an Ax to Grind typically. That's a problem in that it tends to distort their perception, and then they make errors.

The typical error someone with an Ax to Grind, say like Rush Limbaugh had at times when I listened for a few hours way back in the 90s, say talking about say Bill Clinton, would include sometimes to take a real event (let's just look at only real events, not the made up things, conspiracy stuff), and then repaint the real bit of contextless information to mean something different than it meant in the situation or context. To end up with a whole different meaning than the actual meaning.

That's a good reason to just ignore a website with an agenda, or someone ranting, etc. Because of the errors. One doesn't want to just accept whatever Rush says about Clinton, or Obama, or Nancy, etc., etc.

Not the best type of information source.

Consider the above list, where the topic was God punishing sin, and then examples are used in response that include such as Peter or Paul for instance being whipped in Acts by the religious establishment or governors, commanders, etc. because the message about Christ was a threat to their power. Not at all an example of God punishing sin, not even slightly.

24 the commander ordered that Paul be taken into the barracks. He directed that he be flogged and interrogated in order to find out why the people were shouting at him like this.

Already, one should think "hmmmm....I wonder what else they got wrong in this list". Of course, some things in a long list would be God punishing sin. Some would just be people doing their own ideas on their own. Some would be those acting against God even. But the website or ranter won't necessarily tell you that. That's one of their tricks -- to combine a real thing with a misrepresentation, together. To intentionally create a false impression.

Here's even worse in a way: the things in the list that actually are God punishing sin, nothing is told about what the sin was, and you are encouraged to imagine, wrongly, it was just whatever reason we'd not agree to today, even as if some minor thing hardly worse than spitting gum on the sidewalk, though *sometimes* it's a thing like murder or sacrificing children in fire to idols, for example.

In other words, dump the list in the trash, and look at one thing at a time, to try to find out precisely the full picture. And don't even go back to that website, any more than you'd rely on Rush to tell you how the world works.

So, the best practice: track down 1 instance at a time, in detail, and try to get the full picture. Better yet: ask for the entire full context of the overarching larger situation, even.

 

[3rdAngel]

The problem with taking a list from a website (or someone's rant, or just wherever) is that website or ranter has an Ax to Grind typically. That's a problem in that it tends to distort their perception, and then they make errors.

The typical error someone with an Ax to Grind, say like Rush Limbaugh had at times when I listened for a few hours way back in the 90s, say talking about say Bill Clinton, would include sometimes to take a real event (let's just look at only real events, not the made up things, conspiracy stuff), and then repaint the real bit of contextless information to mean something different than it meant in the situation or context. To end up with a whole different meaning than the actual meaning.

That's a good reason to just ignore a website with an agenda, or someone ranting, etc. Because of the errors. One doesn't want to just accept whatever Rush says about Clinton, or Obama, or Nancy, etc., etc.

Not the best type of information source.

Consider the above list, where the topic was God punishing sin, and then examples are used in response that include such as Peter or Paul for instance being whipped in Acts by the religious establishment or governors, commanders, etc. because the message about Christ was a threat to their power. Not at all an example of God punishing sin, not even slightly.

24 the commander ordered that Paul be taken into the barracks. He directed that he be flogged and interrogated in order to find out why the people were shouting at him like this.

Already, one should think "hmmmm....I wonder what else they got wrong in this list". Of course, some things in a long list would be God punishing sin. Some would just be people doing their own ideas on their own. Some would be those acting against God even. But the website or ranter won't necessarily tell you that. That's one of their tricks -- to combine a real thing with a misrepresentation, together. To intentionally create a false impression.

Here's even worse in a way: the things in the list that actually are God punishing sin, nothing is told about what the sin was, and you are encouraged to imagine, wrongly, it was just whatever reason we'd not agree to today, even as if some minor thing hardly worse than spitting gum on the sidewalk, though *sometimes* it's a thing like murder or sacrificing children in fire to idols, for example.

In other words, dump the list in the trash, and look at one thing at a time, to try to find out precisely the full picture. And don't even go back to that website, any more than you'd rely on Rush to tell you how the world works.

So, the best practice: track down 1 instance at a time, in detail, and try to get the full picture. Better yet: ask for the entire full context of the overarching larger situation, even.

Yes, I agree with this but believe that God can use people to point us in the right direction (the Word of God) but the scriptures teach that only God can guide us and teach us His Word only as we seek him for an understanding of it. We cannot understand Gods Word if he does not reveal it to us; as the heavens are higher then the earth so are his ways from ours and we do not naturally understand the things of God but the new Covenant promise is that God will be our guide and teacher if we seek him for an understanding of his truth *HEBREWS 8:11; JOHN 14:26; JOHN 16:13 but these promises are all conditional on continuing to believe and follow what God teaches us *JOHN 8:31-36. If we trust in the teachings and tradtions of men in order to understand God's Word we will never find it as it is written cursed is every man that trusts in man and makes flesh his arm * JEREMIAH 17:5

Thanks for sharing your view.

 

[halbhh]

Yes, I agree with this but believe that God can use people to point us in the right direction (the Word of God) but the scriptures teach that only God can guide us and teach us His Word only as we seek him for an understanding of it. We cannot understand Gods Word if he does not reveal it to us; as the heavens are higher then the earth so are his ways from ours and we do not naturally understand the things of God but the new Covenant promise is that God will be our guide and teachers if we seek him for an understanding of his truth *HEBREWS 8:11; JOHN 14:26; JOHN 16:13 but these promises are all conditional on continuing to believe and follow what God teaches us *JOHN 8:31-36. If we trust in the teachings and tradtions of men in order to understand God's Word we will never find it as it is written cursed is every man that trusts in man and makes flesh his arm * JEREMIAH 17:5

Thanks for sharing your view.

Sometimes for some people that do seem to sincerely want to find out more but say it didn't work yet for them, sometimes we can offer something specific help at times. Even this help about who God chooses to aid when they seek Him (Matthew chapter 7, Jer chapter 29):

"God resists the proud, but gives Grace to the humble."
Psalm 138:6; Proverbs 3:34; Proverbs 29:23; Matthew 23:12; Luke 1:52; James 4:6; 1 Peter 5:5

 

[shunyadragon]

What is the root of all evil?

That there is no evil.

 

[shunyadragon]

To what extent does the OT foreshadow the NT?

Only in context of the universal relationship between God and humanity and Creation beyond the OT and the NT.

 

[shunyadragon]

Are all sins equal in the eyes of god?

All fallible humans are equal from God's perspective.

 

[3rdAngel]

That there is no evil.

Not really. Good and evil is defined in God's 10 commandments. Good if obeyed and evil (sin) if broken. The wages of sin is death to in all those who reject the gift of God's dear son according to the scriptures.

 

[shunyadragon]

Not really. Good and evil is defined in God's 10 commandments. Good if obeyed and evil (sin) if broken. The wages of sin is death to in all those who reject the gift of God's dear son according to the scriptures.

Sins are the natural product product of the fallible nature of being human Created by God and not evil. You are clinging to ancient cultural worldview of God, and not the universal spiritual evolving human nature Created by God.

 

[3rdAngel]

Sins are the natural product product of the fallible nature of being human Created by God and not evil. You are clinging to ancient cultural worldview of God, and not the universal spiritual evolving human nature Created by God.

No God did not create man in sin. Mankind was orignally created in the image of God. Man was tempted into sin and disobeyed Gods' Word. This resulted in the sin nature of mankind. God's plan of salvation is to save man from sin (evil heart) because the wages of sin (evil) is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son. God's salvation is from sin (breaking God's Law) not to continue in sin by giving us a new heart to love. If you continue in sin (evil) you will die according to the scriptures. Unless a man is born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No God did not create man in sin. Mankind was orignally created in the image of God. Man was tempted into sin and disobeyed Gods' Word. This resulted in the sin nature of mankind. God's plan of salvation is to save man from sin (evil heart) because the wages of sin (evil) is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son. God's salvation is from sin (breaking God's Law) not to continue in sin by giving us a new heart to love. If you continue in sin (evil) you will die according to the scriptures. Unless a man is born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven

Let me get this straight. Man was created in God's image and in that image he was imperfect and susceptible to temptation, disobedience and sin. So what are you claiming changed? How is your description of the fallible nature of man any different from @shunyadragon's?

 

[3rdAngel]

Let me get this straight. Man was created in God's image and in that image he was imperfect and susceptible to temptation, disobedience and sin. So what are you claiming changed? How is your description of the fallible nature of man any different from @shunyadragon's?

Perhaps you should read your bible. We were indeed made perfect and without sin in God's image *GENESIS 1:26. God never forces us to follow him we have a free will to choose who we believe and follow according to the scriptures.

Hope this helps

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Perhaps you should read your bible. We were indeed made perfect and without sin in God's image *GENESIS 1:26. God never forces us to follow him we have a free will to choose who we believe and follow according to the scriptures.

Hope this helps

I am asking you to explain this. You know all the answers.

 

[3rdAngel]

I am asking you to explain this. You know all the answers.

I do not know all things only what God has taught me I share and I only share his Words not mine. What do you think the post you are quoting from says and the scriptures that are in it

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Perhaps you should read your bible. We were indeed made perfect and without sin in God's image *GENESIS 1:26. God never forces us to follow him we have a free will to choose who we believe and follow according to the scriptures.

Hope this helps

If we were made perfect then how is it that Adam and Eve were so easily tempted and so susceptible to disobedience and sin? Do you consider those qualities as perfection?

 

[3rdAngel]

If we were made perfect then how is it that Adam and Eve were so easily tempted and so susceptible to disobedience and sin? Do you consider those qualities as perfection?

The answer is in the post you are quoting from. What do you think it says?

 

[sciatica]

How many pages in your Bible?
Do you ever use the index at the back?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I do not know all things only what God has taught me I share. What do you think the post you are quoting from says and the scriptures that are in it

I know what it says. Now I would appreciate an explanation instead of the run around.

I have read your posts. You have taken a position of superior knowledge in everyone. Never have I seen you even hint at the possibility of being wrong. The obvious conclusion is that you believe you are correct in all things you post and everyone else is wrong. It is from your position of superior knowledge that I seek answers explaining this strange perfection you describe.