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Are Scientists playing God?

Jesuslightoftheworld

The world has nothing to offer us!
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It's only playing god if you're image of god is limited to things humans can do. And what of things not typically associated with playing god, like selective breeding?
Itz nothing more than a superstitious fear of those terrified of our potential as humans and would rather us remain in the dark ages due to this fear.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?

Maybe God is a scientist who used science to create the universe. We are simply following in God's footsteps.

If we learn to create a universe, I wonder what it's inhabitants will think about their creator. Perhaps our creator's creator was simply a scientist who started off by splitting atoms.
 

lukethethird

unknown member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
Twins are clones.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
God really does not control physical world.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?

Funny how you zero in on the negatives. Do you really want a discussion?
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?

I don't believe in god but we are clearly now in an age where our capacity for creation and destruction must involve ethical considerations, particularly when it deals with the substance of life itself. The lessons of eugenics in the 20th century is that science cannot be divorced from morality, but it also cannot be subservient to the moral consciousness that was developed by human being (often in the name of a deity) hundreds or even thousands of years ago. We can learn from religious teachings, but our morals must be a reflection of the powers and knowledge we have today. Morality isn't necessarily fixed or eternal, but changes and develops as we gain a greater understanding of the world and how our best to manage our relationships within it.

As our scientific knowledge advances, so must our ethical understanding in how we wield the powers we have at our disposal. Splitting the atom wouldn't have been such a problem if it had been used only for the generation of nuclear power, but the nature of our society saw it's development primarily for military purposes. It is likely that any future advancements will face the same paradox, particularly given the military's role as a source of public investment for scientific research. Perhaps we will see military applications for genetic engineering (super soldiers), artificial intelligence and robotics (terminator's "skynet") among other things.

We have to hold scientists accountable for their discoveries and their implications for society. Whilst we may each have our private passions and curiosities, there is a point when we have to ask "do we really need to know this? and what would it be used for?" I don't believe science and technology are always evil, I enjoy too many of it's benefits to believe that. But with each new step in scientific and technological advancement come new challenges and we have to expect that as we develop the freedom to change the world around us (and perhaps even ourselves) so we have to argue and debate what the moral limits of those freedoms really are and should be.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
Why wouldn't a clone have a soul? When it comes to identical twins, which one gets the soul? Just what is a soul, and what determines what form of life possess one?
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Are Scientists playing God?

Somebody has to take responsibility for this world. If a god exists, it either is impotent to help us, indifferent to our concerns, or possibly even unaware that we exist. Whatever the case, if all you do is put your hands together and mutter at the ceiling fan, you are not part of the solution. It's the people playing god that are improving the human condition.

We should all strive to play gods. When I pull over on a rural road to save a turtle crossing it, I know that there was nobody there in that corner of the universe to take responsibility for that creature's well-being except me, so I did. If that's playing god, I 'm proud to do so. No god helped.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
We are "co-creators" with God, and this is what the scriptures tell us to do, but only in a beneficial way.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?

Such twaddle.

First person to break flint to a sharp edge led
us to millions killed with flint arrowheads and knives

Such dreadful god- playing. And FiRE?
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split.
If God did not intend the atom to be split, why did God create the sun?

In my opinion God is the only One who can create life.
Humans create life by having sex all the time. Is sex humans playing God?

I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned.
Perhaps the soul is not cloned, perhaps God gives souls to human creation.

I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
Your picture of a twisted messed mass is based on your imagination and not real world examples of clones. Look at dolly the cloned sheep. It is not a twisted messed mass;
cloning dolly the sheep

How could a properly formed super soldier be made if all scientists could manage is a twisted messed mass?
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
Well this post answers one question I had. Clearly you do not believe in predestination. ;)

But seriously, do you not think God intends mankind to exercise its curiosity about nature? That is what science is, after all.

What we learn can be used for good or for evil, so that is where the self-control should come in, it seems to me. And of course the research methods used should be ethical. But it seems ridiculous to suggest that areas of study should be off-limits in principle.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
I believe God is omnipresent and omnipotent so I don't limit what God has intended. Further, I believe He intended everything that has occurred and will occur.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?

Thought, you used a result of quantum mechanics to post your OP

Thought, cloning had produced gigantic leaps in medical science

Thought, i live in a country that is prospering from over 70% nuclear power.

Thought, you are pretty sure of your gods I intentions. May i respectfully request that you speak to your doctor about this?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened.

Perhaps it was the intent behind the splitting of the atom. Turning that knowledge into nuclear weapons of mass destruction accomplished nothing positive. Nuclear power stations are an excuse to produce plutonium for the manufacture of weapons. Otherwise its just an expensive way to boil water to produce power.....not to mention the aftermath when reactors explode....:eek: Clever science at its finest.

Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work?

Cloning only produces a "look-alike". Even identical twins who share the same DNA have different personalities. You can clone a body but not a person. Each is unique.

In my opinion God is the only One who can create life.

I agree, but science did not create life, they simply manipulated it. They have no idea what created life and it galls them. How can you get rid of God as the Creator of life if you can't scientifically prove how it happened accidentally? o_O

I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?

If you understand the word "soul" as it is defined in scripture, it is a "living breathing creature"...the words in Hebrew and Greek, never mean a disembodied spirit. Therefore man is a soul...he doesn't have one.
If you read Genesis 2:7 you will see that Adam "became" a soul when God started him breathing. As long as living things breathe, they are rightly described as "souls" in the Bible. Animals are called "souls" as well.

As for the moral compass and no sense of right or wrong, one only has to look at conditioned, highly trained (brainwashed) soldiers or police enforcers who will commit atrocities at the command of other humans in a combat situation. These already exist...you don't need to worry about clones. The ones who already exist are scary enough. Where is the conscience of someone who can wipe out an entire village with women and children by dropping a bomb with the press of a button? Or firing a missile at a house knowing that innocent children will die as mere "collateral damage".

It is the complete disregard for the sanctity of life that creates these monsters, schooled from infancy in godless thinking. Yet, conversely when you couple that with religious zeal, and you have a recipe for everything we fear. That makes one a righteous soldier of God. For Christians there can be no such thing. His army put their weapons down 2,000 years ago. We are to be "peacemakers"...not merely 'peacekeepers'.

We need to understand what went wrong in the beginning, and how God is allowing humans to 'reap what they have sown'....he will fix it all in "the end times".....fast approaching its conclusion, by the look of things.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
If God did not intend the atom to be split, why did God create the sun?


Humans create life by having sex all the time. Is sex humans playing God?


Perhaps the soul is not cloned, perhaps God gives souls to human creation.


Your picture of a twisted messed mass is based on your imagination and not real world examples of clones. Look at dolly the cloned sheep. It is not a twisted messed mass;
cloning dolly the sheep

How could a properly formed super soldier be made if all scientists could manage is a twisted messed mass?

So technical. Next you will claim
the sun does fusion, not fission.
 
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