"Coming of age" - Maturity. Mukaarinun Bisharri Nawu Oklana.
Opium.
These are the verses I keep talking about.
So other than the verse about opium appears absent from the Arabic original what else would you like to discuss?
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"Coming of age" - Maturity. Mukaarinun Bisharri Nawu Oklana.
Opium.
These are the verses I keep talking about.
Of course not. However we are on an English speaking forum discussing religious concepts and ideas in English. Religion needs to adapt to different languages and cultures as culture either embraces or rejects a religion. The Baha’i Faith has progressive values that are easily communicated in word and deed that enables it to blend in harmoniously with Western Culture.
So other than the verse about opium appears absent from the Arabic original what else would you like to discuss?
You didn't provide a response to it. Take it as an academic exercise.
But thats your prerogative. Thanks for your replies.
I’m not able to answer your question as you know full well I don’t speak Arabic. I don’t think we’re understanding each other. Sorry if I’ve contributed to that.
As an aside anyone can contact Baha’i institutions (you don’t have to be a Baha’i) to ask questions.
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Kind Regards
Adrian
Do you follow an idea or directive from the Bahai"authorities" if the words and intent of the idea the present goes against your innate and learned sense of morality? Is there a limit to your subservience?
I have yet to understand what Bahai believe as far as these religious laws for this time and age or how exactly they are new and improved.
Can you please name and explain ten of these new updated laws that, if we all ditch our own beliefs and voluntairliy follow the The Prophet in the future, will save all of us animals?
If this is too many questions to answer in one post, please feel free to use as many pages as necessary. Thanks.
Actually the believers of every religion believe the same. It is also is relevant as how a religion relates to the scripture of other religions. It is more common for ancient religions to dismiss the scripture of other religions, and co-opt older religions.
They also claim jesus too. What do you have to say about that brother?
I meant to say that the bahai faith to me is a philosophy. Not to the bahais. Of course not. Maybe I didnt word it right.
I also understand that bahaullah is not God himself but a manifestation.
And I tried to clarify from you what is meant by the phrase "akram rasool" in the kithab I akdhas. I did not get a response to that.
Not to offend you but I found that there are a lot of schism in the bahai scholarship about jesus and the so called older sacred text. In one of your links i read that the kathamun nabiyyin is Muhammed, but bahaullah is a rasool. Another respondent here denied that although your own source said that.
Anyway this thread was meant to understand your faith. Not to rebut it. One must understand a faith to rebut it. But I see a lot of people here refuting without even understanding it.
Thanks for your response. We will learn more.
This process is documented and is all part of the Covenant given by Baha'u'llah, no whim needed.
You are offering argument out of total ignorance of that covenanted process.
I can give you the details, but I am confident OB can now help you, he was a detective, a seeker after the truth in all matters. @oldbadger
Have a great day Regards Tony
That is what is so dangerous about it all.The Universal House of Justice chooses which laws to enact and when.
That is something new and useful when the Bahais and House of Justice have to change something - nice argument. Just like the way Mohammad used the word 'abrogation' - 'Oh, Allah changed his mind. That verse is abrogated (and replaced by this verse'). Does Allah not have the freedom to change his mind?It could be the details are lost as many tablets were stolen by the covenant breakers.
And so long as the World rejects Bahai as a World management system then you and/or yours can carry on..... and we'll feel a lot safer.It appears it concerns you for some reason?
I personally will embrace any direction on this law that the Universal House of Justice may give in the future, as may your great grandchildren, but no one that is not a Baha'i needs to give it a second thought.
I personally wanted to many years ago, but I could not find any details, none have been given, it's not a priority I would suggest, the future may be different. There has been on the net lots of speculation, but no details. It could be the details are lost as many tablets were stolen by the covenant breakers.
I just added to the speculation for you.
That makes it s clear as I can, surely you can let it go now OB and @Aupmanyav
Have a great and happy day, regards Tony
That is something new and useful when the Bahais and House of Justice have to change something - nice argument. Just like the way Mohammad used the word 'abrogation'.
I believe they believe in a watered down useless Jesus.
Speak for yourself, not for me.
I'll be the one to tell which truths I seek, and not you.
You tell us that the haircut law is not in place yet. Can we see where Bahauallah has told you this?
Of course, if you can't, then we will be copying you and be ticking the funny boxes and laughing at such shallowness.
Or are you cherry-picking the bits you like, just as @Aupmanyav seems to suugest?
That is something new and useful when the Bahais and House of Justice have to change something - nice argument. Just like the way Mohammad used the word 'abrogation' - 'Oh, Allah changed his mind. That verse is abrogated (and replaced by this verse'). Does Allah not have the freedom to change his mind?
Perhaps that is why Allah had to send Mirza Ghulam Ahmad so soon after Bahaullah - because 'the tablets were lost' or perhaps some message to Bahaullah has been abrogated and replaced by something new. So, Bahaullah's message is incomplete and Mirza's message is complete. There are claims for being Jesus/mahdi even after Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, even in the two decades of 21st Century.
And so long as the World rejects Bahai as a World management system then you and/or yours can carry on..... and we'll feel a lot safer.
That's the danger.
Folks can declare for such a religion in the belief that it follows one course, and then it just turns round and follows another, and who knows where........
And when it falls to the Bahai leavers to show Bahai truths, which they often do, then the words 'Bahai Covenant Breaker' actually can become a dignified and respectable title.
And again, that is not true.I am happy you see the potential of the laws to embrace a wider audience and at the same time you appear to be upset about an issue that may never have any thing to do with you or anyone that is not a Baha'i.
Regards Tony