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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. firedragon

    firedragon Well-Known Member

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    Alright. If you are saying this it might be a worthy read. Err. Please mind my ignorance. Can you please repeat the name of the book again?
     
  2. adrian009

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    Sounds like you're confusing the Baha'is for another religion called Islam.:)
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    ".........................it is not seemly to let the hair pass beyond the limit of the ears. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Lord of all worlds." (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i Aqdas)

    A clear and detailed law.

    And it seems that :-
    "Shoghi Effendi has made clear that, unlike the prohibition on shaving the head, this law forbidding the growing of the hair beyond the lobe of the ear pertains only to men." (The Kitab-i Aqdas, notes)

    The separation of the genders moves on........ with Bahai.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Ah...... !
    Yes....... but Abdul Baha did rather send a 'wrong signal' about hair length. :D
    I imagine that some Bahais would have wished to make a fashion out of long hair for just that reason.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    The above was sent to another......
    Ah ha! But....... No......

    You know that's waffle........ for sure. :)
    Bahauallah made it perfectly clear that the 'Heart' is blind to the most clear and precise direction. Chill in hellfire, dry in the sea? He quotes Jallabad (spelling?) in that it is foolish?

    The blacksmith's heart can be sweet or sour, but his knowledge, forge and hammer produce his Truth.

    How about:-
    When Bahai fails in reason it retreats to its heart.
    When shown unpalatable truth it becomes blind as the hysteric.
    Who can lead a Bahai out of the maze? :)

    .... just sayin'. You have a good night's rest, I'll go and fix my porch roof. :D
     
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    I think Tony was referring to this story about a famous story about another bearded Baha'i (possibly with long hair) Mirza Abu'l-Fadl a renowned Baha'i scholar. :)

    Mírzá Abu’l-Fadl: a true seeker
     
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  7. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Tony was writing to Firedragon.
    The subject was not about hair.
     
  8. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    Again, this law is still not implemented, it may be some time in the future, it is up to the Universal House of Justice.

    The details of this law are not known.

    A 1974 list of laws not yet binding.

    Laws from the Kitab-i-Aqdas Not Yet Binding

    A 1999 letter of implemented Laws

    Laws of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, Further Application of

    Thus the law is not binding and the details are no known.

    Regards Tony
     
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  9. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    Adrian was correct. Read the story at the link Adrian gave and it was a blacksmith that taught one of the greatest scholars with a Logical observation.

    You will also note Adrian's comment was applicable to both conversations.

    Regards Tony
     
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  10. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    Well done, independant searching after truth. Your catching on fast, a good student. :)

    Regards Tony
     
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  11. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    A simple question: Is Allah's Word communicated to Bahais by Bahaullah, in whose name you swear, the manifesttion of your Allah, important for you or not? Or you would coolly go in flouting it? Also the rules about women and LGBTQ?
     
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    No. You have asked three questions.

    Of course.

    No.

    This is not a simple question. You need to rephrase the question and be more specific so I know clearly what you are asking and I will answer.
     
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  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Then, you need to tell Bahais that their hair should not hang longer than the lobes of their ear. Even Shunyadragon's avatara may be needing a change.
     
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    There is no requirement for men to have any restrictions on their hair. There is a law in the Kitab-I-Aqdas but its not applicable. The law was written in 1873. That’s 146 years ago. I’m not expecting the law to come into effect anytime soon. It may never.

    If some Baha’is needing to have a haircut is all the critics of the Baha’i Faith have to offer, maybe attention should be focused on issues that really matter. The environment, deteriorating international relationships, prejudice of all kinds, social inequalities etc
     
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    Brother. I think you should not make statements like this. Anyway, moving past that, can you copy paste the verses 189 and 190 here? Then you will see.
     
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    Haha. But I must say that the Kithab I Akdhas does use the word "Munafiq" and tells you not to be.
    Second, it also uses the word "Allah" every where.

    Just saying.
     
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  17. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Choosing laws at your whim. That is what Islam calls being 'munafiq' (Why bristle at the name of a religion which was started by one whom you accept as Nabi-ul-Khatm? Other religion! Is Islam an 'other religion' for you?). All the laws given by Bahaullah are 146 years old. What remains and what is discarded? And who does that now since all the three, Bahaullah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi are dead.
     
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    Brother. Munafiq is not Islamic. Its just an arabic word. It means "two faced". All theologies or any kind of anything speaking in arabic uses this word. Even Bahaullah used it in his book. Even the arabic Bible uses this word.
     
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  19. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    True, just an Arabic word, now used in many countries where Islam went.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Tony.....
    That law would be enacted as soon as it could be enforced, in a Baha'i World!

    It's not a problem today, and with any luck it never will be...... I would prefer that my umpty-great grandkids will be free of such oppressions .
     
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