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Is Climate Change real or a Hoax

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Explain why humanity did well during this period
Medieval Warm Period - Wikipedia
And was miserable during Little Ice Age?

What was the population at that time? Clearly humans do better between certain temperatures but the graph in you post shows what is happening with the temperature and humans do not do well with excessive heat. They tend to die. So what was your point?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
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Note the correlation
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
This time it is human induced.

That's jumping to conclusions though.

The fact we are overdue for an ice age puts us in unknown territory.

There are other factors but this time you would have to be blind not to see what is happening.

There is no doubt we need to reduce pollution as a whole, regardless of the results. But even if we stopped completely all pollution, the earth would continue to warm.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hard to figure out who lie...
My understanding : it is non issue, pure political. Climate always changed . As always knowing 5% of 5%...
Then you do not understand the problem. It is the date of change that is a problem.. And no, deniers try to make it political. But it is not a matter of conservative or liberal, but rather who's people costs some politicians have allowed themselves to be stuffed into.
 

Prometheus85

Active Member
Why bother looking for a youtube clip? There's a link to the alleged petition in @Prometheus85 excelent link:

"Robinson’s Petition Project now counts 31,487 signatories. Before we get to who those people are, the key flaw in the News Punch statement is that the petition doesn’t say what the article claims. Here’s what people sign:

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For the purposes of this fact-check, the key sentence is, "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate."

The petition says nothing about hoaxes or profit motives.

On its face, someone signing the petition need not believe that climate change is a hoax, nor that it has been perpetrated to make money. While some or even many who signed it might hold those beliefs, the petition itself doesn’t speak to either of those conditions.

In terms of the mindset of the signers, the statement relies on speculation.

Challenges to the petition
There are many reasons to question what it means to have over 31,000 people signing this petition.

First of all, the meaning of "scientist" is vague. The minimum requirement is a bachelor’s of science degree. That’s no guarantee that the person studied a science related to climate change, or that the person pursued a career in science. The petition’s website says that 12,715 signers hold "BS or equivalent academic degrees."

When we look at the number of people with some sort of background in fields that tie directly to climate change, the petition website said, "there are 3,805 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth."

That would be about 12 percent of the total.

There are, according to the site, 9,029 people with PhDs, which comes closer to meeting a higher bar for being thought of as a scientist. Based on the site’s figures, most of them don’t specialize in climate change, but they likely are more familiar with scientific methods.

These important nuances get lost. A 2012 opinion piece in Forbes described the signers as "more than 31,000 American scientists from diverse climate-related disciplines."

That’s way off the mark, unless you count veterinarians -- one of the degrees that qualifies you as a scientist in the petition project -- and physicians."

I’m assuming @Jollybear didn’t even bother to click on the link.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
What was the population at that time? Clearly humans do better between certain temperatures but the graph in you post shows what is happening with the temperature and humans do not do well with excessive heat. They tend to die. So what was your point?
We do not know and only agendas moving this issue. My problem with modern science is here , example, “We are not saying (anti-depression medication) doesn’t work. But the studies that have been done are often of poor quality and it’s therefore difficult to say anything about the effect of antidepressants,” said Asger Sand Paludan-Müller, a PhD student and one of the co-authors of the analysis, as cited by Videnskab.“ This from the latest study of how well antidepressants work from Scandinavia.
 

Prometheus85

Active Member
I cant find the one i originally saw, but heres one i found that may be just as well.


You can’t find the original one because there is no original video. The petition of 30k scientists saying global warming is not a threat was nothing but propaganda. Did u click on the link that I sent you? And the video above is also false. Kangaroo feathers sent you a link on that as well
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
We do not know and only agendas moving this issue. My problem with modern science is here , example, “We are not saying (anti-depression medication) doesn’t work. But the studies that have been done are often of poor quality and it’s therefore difficult to say anything about the effect of antidepressants,” said Asger Sand Paludan-Müller, a PhD student and one of the co-authors of the analysis, as cited by Videnskab.“ This from the latest study of how well antidepressants work from Scandinavia.
Medical science is much less reliable than harder sciences. For some strange reason people think it is immoral to treat humans as guinea pigs:rolleyes:. Just because you find a possible flaw in one science does not mean they all have those flaws.
 

siti

Well-Known Member
Name one scientist that has gone public with irrefutable proof...
...of what? A scientific consensus? I reckon the only thing that could possibly be irrefutably proven about science is that almost nobody understands it - and the proof - questions like yours.
 
You can’t find the original one because there is no original video. The petition of 30k scientists saying global warming is not a threat was nothing but propaganda. Did u click on the link that I sent you? And the video above is also false. Kangaroo feathers sent you a link on that as well

You know what these debates usually always amount to?

1, majority says ________
2, your source is wrong

And usually never discuss the evidence.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Anybody seeing a trend here? After all the lip service to the certainty of catastrophic climate change, not a single scientist could be named. Wow! BTW, all you GW/CC adherents, I've got a bridge for sale in NYC that is guaranteed to protect from any climate catastrophe for years to come. PM me for a good price.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Anybody seeing a trend here? After all the lip service to the certainty of catastrophic climate change, not a single scientist could be named. Wow! BTW, all you GW/CC adherents, I've got a bridge for sale in NYC that is guaranteed to protect from any climate catastrophe for years to come. PM me for a good price.
Don't get sooky that no one took your silly 'science doesn't work in proofs therefore there's no proof of climate change" bait. As the number of catastrophic climate events continues to rise, just shut your eyes real hard and pretend it's not happening. It worked for the people of Hybrasil.

 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Don't get sooky that no one took your silly 'science doesn't work in proofs therefore there's no proof of climate change" bait. As the number of catastrophic climate events continues to rise, just shut your eyes real hard and pretend it's not happening. It worked for the people of Hybrasil.

The difference between climate deniers and Flat Earthers is only a matter of degree.
 
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