YOU Will Never Die

[Shantanu]

Uhhh...no...you might want to revisit you're basic physics...

You are right: I forgot molecules.

 

[blü 2]

But the compost, although seemingly dead, was reborn into the different vegetables I harvested. The composted material did not just deconstruct and disappear, the material simply changed into another form of being and continued to exist.

Well, not quite. They were organic materials in a world where particular microorganisms and larger little critters that live on organic materials consumed and reshaped them. The identity which any observer originally associated with those organic materials no longer exists outside of memory.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Death is nothingness, dust to dust.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Death is something that happens to the others. You will not die in your world, but you will eventually die in everyone else's.

Yikes! I hope when I do die, I stay dead. Except in the minds of my living family and friends. After that, most of us are gone forever unless you make it into a history book or some other type of public remembrance. Even then, it's not really you they are knowing. Just blips about your life.

Dying is a good ending to a long life lived well.

 

[Shantanu]

We are at death's door all the time: the idea is to do what is necessary to survive for as long as possible so as to benefit from the 'goodies' of the planet Earth for after death there is nothing but Brahmaloka memory of God at best in heaven: is that something to look forward to. I doubt if it has attractions. So live like a God on planet Earth and see if you can get you to a grand old age. That is the ultimate spiritual goal.

 

[BSM1]

Yikes! I hope when I do die, I stay dead. Except in the minds of my living family and friends. After that, most of us are gone forever unless you make it into a history book or some other type of public remembrance. Even then, it's not really you they are knowing. Just blips about your life.

Dying is a good ending to a long life lived well.

Your true self never experiences "death".

 

[BSM1]

Well, not quite. They were organic materials in a world where particular microorganisms and larger little critters that live on organic materials consumed and reshaped them. The identity which any observer originally associated with those organic materials no longer exists outside of memory.

Still the material did not simply cease to exist. If I'm not mistaken there's some silly law somewhere that says matter can't be destroyed...ya da...ya da...

 

[wandering peacefully]

Your true self never experiences "death".

If you are talking about being recycled into other materials like everything organic on the planet, I agree.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Death is something that happens to the others. You will not die in your world, but you will eventually die in everyone else's.

Well this has been offered, which would support your remarks;

"...Scientific philosophy has demonstrated that a simple element (’simple’ meaning ‘not composed‘) is indestructible, eternal. The soul, not being a composition of elements, is, in character, as a simple element, and therefore cannot cease to exist. The soul, being of that one indivisible substance, can suffer neither disintegration nor destruction, therefore there is no reason for its coming to an end." (‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks, p. 90)

Regards Tony

 

[blü 2]

Still the material did not simply cease to exist. If I'm not mistaken there's some silly law somewhere that says matter can't be destroyed...ya da...ya da...

Indeed, not the elements constituting the materials, nor many of the molecules. Just the identity of any particular critter, and the critterness of any particular identity.

 

[WalterTrull]

Death is something that happens to the others. You will not die in your world, but you will eventually die in everyone else's.

Interesting thought. I have considered it often. Not sure if I really think it's true, but...
Sort of related to the multi universe quantum theory. Like I say, interesting.

 

[dianaiad]

Death is something that happens to the others. You will not die in your world, but you will eventually die in everyone else's.

Oh, Dear Heavenly Father. I am very, very glad that your statement is not true.

 

[dianaiad]

No, I don't think so. There's only one world and I will die in it along with everyone else.

Well, I think that the universe is very big, and that there are many, many worlds. Indeed, it seems we have actually found a bunch of 'em. Surely, in a universe the size we are encountering, there are worlds with 'people' on them (by "people" I mean life forms that can make choices and think about things like whether there is only one world or not).

That said, I agree; we're all going to die. Thank God. Seriously. I do NOT mean that as an epithet.

 

[dianaiad]

I agree completely. Though I have no fear of death I can't say I am in any hurry to get there!

Oh, it's not death that bothers me. It's the 'dying' part that sucks.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your true self never experiences "death".

Of course it does. True self (soul, spirit, etc) are things that help us in this life. When there is no brain to think about self. No body to live it. No mind to experience it. Poof! Nothing left.

But do we entertain the idea we will be nothing (no self no body)? If we cant, I wonder if we are taking reality for granted as we enjoy being the emperor with no clothes but uncomfortable when they found out they are naked the whole time. Eh.

 

[BSM1]

Of course it does. True self (soul, spirit, etc) are things that help us in this life. When there is no brain to think about self. No body to live it. No mind to experience it. Poof! Nothing left.

But do we entertain the idea we will be nothing (no self no body)? If we cant, I wonder if we are taking reality for granted as we enjoy being the emperor with no clothes but uncomfortable when they found out they are naked the whole time. Eh.

Obviously you have never lived with someone that talks to dead people.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Obviously you have never lived with someone that talks to dead people.

You would be surprised (no pun?) I live with people in their 80s in a senior and disability home where talk about death and dying (and people dying) is pretty much a day to day thing. Grief does put a spin and nature of insight from what I thought before and now. That, and it isnt an ancient mystery of the cosmos. We die. Thats it.

I notice people show their true self in the living not in the dying. People's worldview for the hope of the future and their lives changed with the blessings of god is so embedded in their DNA that to tell them they will die even at 90 does rock peoples boats. I dont know if people entertain it because of the uncomfortable nature of it. Nowadays, I do more and more often.

But, if you're talking about Six Sense, I do believe the spirits of the deceased communicate. Just not in the external signs of opening and shutting cabinets (many people have that, mother included) and feathers on the ground.

There is death to all self. Why think there is anything more? I understand why people hope and have faith but to express it as fact?

 

[Shantanu]

Obviously you have never lived with someone that talks to dead people.

I have talked to dead people but that was a hallucination caused by God.

 

[BSM1]

You would be surprised (no pun?) I live with people in their 80s in a senior and disability home where talk about death and dying (and people dying) is pretty much a day to day thing. Grief does put a spin and nature of insight from what I thought before and now. That, and it isnt an ancient mystery of the cosmos. We die. Thats it.

I notice people show their true self in the living not in the dying. People's worldview for the hope of the future and their lives changed with the blessings of god is so embedded in their DNA that to tell them they will die even at 90 does rock peoples boats. I dont know if people entertain it because of the uncomfortable nature of it. Nowadays, I do more and more often.

But, if you're talking about Six Sense, I do believe the spirits of the deceased communicate. Just not in the external signs of opening and shutting cabinets (many people have that, mother included) and feathers on the ground.

There is death to all self. Why think there is anything more? I understand why people hope and have faith but to express it as fact?

I have talked to dead people but that was a hallucination caused by God.

No offense, but neither one of you has a clue. I'm talking about living with a true medium. It is very reassuring.

 

[WalterTrull]

I'm talking about living with a true medium. It is very reassuring.

Kind of interesting. Don't know if I'm a believer. Not a disbeliever. Have you a journal where you jot down your thoughts and/or experiences. Not for debate or even discussion, just so interested folk can read?