Why can't Jewish and Christian people get along?

[YeshuaRedeemed]

My goal in this post is to seek a greater understanding of an imprortant issue. Jesus was a Hebrew Jewish Rabbi, so the problem of antisemitism within some Christian communities makes me mad, and I consider all Jewish people to be my neighbors, and I am to do what for my neighbors? LOVE them UNCONDITIONALLY. The would be no Bible without Jewish people, and it makes me feel very sad to know there is strife. Question for anyone reading this: How can Christians better learn to relate to Jewish people and treat them well? I can't force my opinions on people, but I can be the change I want to see in the world. Peace to you all.

 

[Rival]

The Christians accused the Jewish people of deicide and, in Europe at least, banned them from most professions. They kicked them out, fabricated crimes against them, accused them of killing children and cursing people. They blamed them for spreading the plagues, the Black Death, desecrating Churches and they used them as scapegoats for all manner of unsolved crimes.The Jewish people were only allowed to live in certain places in communes; they had to study in private; some were forcibly converted; many were murdered during the Inquisition and other bizarre Christian trials.

Anti-Semitic feeling persisted up until the early 20th century and has hardly yet gone away wholly.

So there is some tension.

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

The Christians accused the Jewish people of deicide and, in Europe at least, banned them from most professions. They kicked them out, fabricated crimes against them, accused them of killing children and cursing people. They blamed them for spreading the plagues, the Black Death, desecrating Churches and they used them as scapegoats for all manner of unsolved crimes.The Jewish people were only allowed to live in certain places in communes; they had to study in private; some were forcibly converted; many were murdered during the Inquisition and other bizarre Christian trials.

Anti-Semitic feeling persisted up until the early 20th century and has hardly yet gone away wholly.

So there is some tension.

Agreed. This is my apology for how so many Christians have treated Jewish people.

 

[columbus]

Question for anyone reading this: How can Christians better learn to relate to Jewish people and treat them well?

I am not sure what you're talking about.

For centuries, Christian culture was hideously anti-Jewish. But in the post WWII world, anti-Jewish sentiment has been plummeting in my experience.
Around here I don't see any. I don't doubt that it still exists, but it's rare and generally considered gauche.

I, personally, suspect that having Israel as a handy client state in the middle east is part of the shift. And Christians moved on to hating Communists, homosexuals, Muslims, and atheists.

I just don't see the kind of anti-Jewish sentiment that used to be the norm.
Tom

 

[Flankerl]

Jesus was a Hebrew Jewish Rabbi

There is absolutely no evidence to support such a claim.

This is my apology for how so many Christians have treated Jewish people.

You can't apologise for something you didn't do.



That said, Christianity is inherently Anti-Jewish. It's the entire idea behind the Religion.

 

[sun rise]

I am not sure what you're talking about.

For centuries, Christian culture was hideously anti-Jewish. But in the post WWII world, anti-Jewish sentiment has been plummeting in my experience.
Around here I don't see any. I don't doubt that it still exists, but it's rare and generally considered gauche.

I, personally, suspect that having Israel as a handy client state in the middle east is part of the shift. And Christians moved on to hating Communists, homosexuals, Muslims, and atheists.

I just don't see the kind of anti-Jewish sentiment that used to be the norm.
Tom

There is rising anti-Jewish sentiment from the right wing both in the US and Europe.
‘There is still so much evil’: Growing anti-Semitism stuns American Jews

The Anti-Defamation League logged a 57 percent rise in anti-Semitic incidents in the United States in 2017, compared to the previous year — including bomb threats, assaults, vandalism, and anti-Semitic posters and literature found on college campuses.

Growing Anti-Semitism in Germany: 'We Are Facing a Monster' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
'We Are Facing a Monster'

The right wing, aided and abetted by the monster in the White House, is leading this campaign of evil.

This might not mean much to people younger than me, but
NEVER AGAIN

 

[Tumah]

You can't apologise for something you didn't do.

Good luck at explaining to a Christian that you have to repent for your own actions and can't rely on someone else for that.

 

[Tumah]

There is rising anti-Jewish sentiment from the right wing both in the US and Europe.

I don't mean to diminish from the antisemitism coming from the far right, but it should be noted that it's also coming from the left.

 

[Brickjectivity]

My goal in this post is to seek a greater understanding of an imprortant issue. Jesus was a Hebrew Jewish Rabbi, so the problem of antisemitism within some Christian communities makes me mad, and I consider all Jewish people to be my neighbors, and I am to do what for my neighbors? LOVE them UNCONDITIONALLY. The would be no Bible without Jewish people, and it makes me feel very sad to know there is strife. Question for anyone reading this: How can Christians better learn to relate to Jewish people and treat them well? I can't force my opinions on people, but I can be the change I want to see in the world. Peace to you all.

Christians get used by politicians frequently. Christian texts are also used in this way. There is not inherent antisemitism but owing to the brutal sounding nature of Jewish prophecy and tendency of the prophets towards hyperbole, the resulting style of ancient writings gets used by politicians against Jews. This includes some NT writings but also some things that Jews today consider canon. I prophet might say something about a particular situation in history like "You'd be better off with a boot up your butt" which a politician centuries later then might take as an excuse to harm Jews. Similarly a politician disguised as a highly religious person might then dupe very ignorant Christians into helping with something stupid like that. Thus we have pogroms.

'We Are Facing a Monster'

Yes, and if you want to defeat him the way to do it is to compromise on the abortion issue.. I'm pro choice, pro alcohol and pro weed; but the refusal to compromise on pro life divides the country. If its going to be one country then some of the big tent issues must become negotiable. Democrats must take a clue from the way slavery was defeated in the UK, instead of trying to battle everything. The focus must sharpen and go into fixing the way that elections happen. Lets get rid of the paranoia and hate, so we stop seeing scary politicians getting into power.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Good luck at explaining to a Christian that you have to repent for your own actions and can't rely on someone else for that.

maybe in the long term?

 

[Flankerl]

the monster in the White House

Father of Daughter Killed In Parkland Shooting Lights White House Menorah

Good luck at explaining to a Christian that you have to repent for your own actions and can't rely on someone else for that.

I honestly didn't think about that.

 

[sun rise]

I don't mean to diminish from the antisemitism coming from the far right, but it should be noted that it's also coming from the left.

True.

 

[Ellen Brown]

My goal in this post is to seek a greater understanding of an imprortant issue. Jesus was a Hebrew Jewish Rabbi, so the problem of antisemitism within some Christian communities makes me mad, and I consider all Jewish people to be my neighbors, and I am to do what for my neighbors? LOVE them UNCONDITIONALLY. The would be no Bible without Jewish people, and it makes me feel very sad to know there is strife. Question for anyone reading this: How can Christians better learn to relate to Jewish people and treat them well? I can't force my opinions on people, but I can be the change I want to see in the world. Peace to you all.

Most Christians don't realize that Jews have very little in common with Christians. Mostly, in my experience, Christians get the bulk of their knowledge about religion from their Pastor, so are largely ignorant about what the Bible says, and assume that Jews are just like Christians, minus Jesus Christ. No criticism actually. Each person should find their own way, and I support them in that.

My own present views about religion are absolutely minimalistic.

 

[BSM1]

There is absolutely no evidence to support such a claim.




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Actually, Joseph was from the line of David which would have allowed Jesus to be a Rabbi (capital R rather than lower r which simply means teacher), or so I thought. But I was set straight on this notion when some one made the point that Joseph was not Jesus' father. Jesus had no paternal lineage. So, Jesus could not have officially been a Rabbi.

 

[Flankerl]

Actually, Joseph was from the line of David which would have allowed Jesus to be a Rabbi (capital R rather than lower r which simply means teacher

... uh what?
There is no difference between Rabbi and rabbi.

Jesus had no paternal lineage

Basic biology disagrees.

 

[BSM1]

... uh what?
There is no difference between Rabbi and rabbi.




Basic biology disagrees.

Yes, the word "rabbi" simply means teacher, Jesus was referred to as rabbi. However, a Rabbi is a church leader, and, as such, has to be ordained.

 

[RabbiO]

@BSM1 -

I know you mean well, but please stop. I don't where you are getting the "information" you are sharing, but it is not correct.
Along those lines, does your source provide a list of churches where rabbis are leaders?

 

[columbus]

There is rising anti-Jewish sentiment from the right wing both in the US and Europe.
‘There is still so much evil’: Growing anti-Semitism stuns American Jews

The Anti-Defamation League logged a 57 percent rise in anti-Semitic incidents in the United States in 2017, compared to the previous year — including bomb threats, assaults, vandalism, and anti-Semitic posters and literature found on college campuses.

Growing Anti-Semitism in Germany: 'We Are Facing a Monster' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
'We Are Facing a Monster'

The right wing, aided and abetted by the monster in the White House, is leading this campaign of evil.

This might not mean much to people younger than me, but
NEVER AGAIN

I am not saying that there isn't any anti-Jewish sentiment.
One unfortunate side effect of a world dominated by the internet is that haters can form community around the hate. And that tiny little groups of haters can spew in ways that get noticed. Far more so than similar groups would have 50 years ago.

Maybe I am underinformed and naive. But I just don't see the kind of ordinary bigotry that used to pervade western Christendom. We are better than we were a century ago in some regards, and this is one.
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just be a kind person. There's no need to fall all over yourself apologizing. Christians have been apologizing since the Holocaust. There's a fair number of Jews who hate Christianity, too, and you see a lot of that on the board.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am not sure what you're talking about.

For centuries, Christian culture was hideously anti-Jewish. But in the post WWII world, anti-Jewish sentiment has been plummeting in my experience.
Around here I don't see any. I don't doubt that it still exists, but it's rare and generally considered gauche.

I, personally, suspect that having Israel as a handy client state in the middle east is part of the shift. And Christians moved on to hating Communists, homosexuals, Muslims, and atheists.

I just don't see the kind of anti-Jewish sentiment that used to be the norm.
Tom

This is true. Anti-Semitism is much less socially acceptable than it used to be. It's just easier, with the Internet, for people to self-radicalize themselves with extremist views and trolls can amplify their views beyond what their actual numbers are. Sometimes we get massacres when you combine the online aspect with America's gun obsession and lax gun laws. There's still tons more bigoted violence targeting black people in America than Jews. Even on the same week as the massacre at Tree of Life, there was the Kroger shooting of two black people that only happened because the shooter was unable to gain entrance to a black church to try and kill the people there. So even in the week of the synagogue shooting, there could have been yet another massacre of black people at church by another deranged white man if the door was unlocked. There's still far more white people in the US who hate blacks than Jews and many of those white people are Christian Zionists.

Even among the racist alt-right, there's a trend for some of them to reject the traditional anti-Semitism of the far-right and be more accepting of Jews. Some of them are admiring of Jews as a people with a strong sense of self-perservation and wish to see a sort of "white Zionism". Steve Bannon, who is serving as some sort of figurehead for the revival of Western nationalism, loves Netanyahu. It's really bizarre. It seems to be a result of Jews being seen as "white" more and more. The more traditional far-right, of course, is not having it and rejects the alt-right as controlled opposition. There are Jewish supporters of the alt-right. They all still intensely hate black people and hatred of Latinos is growing.