Riders
Well-Known Member
I realize that many Christians here don't believe I or anyone could defend Christianity unless they are defending
conservative Evangelical Christianity or come at it from a conservative view point.
But sense i have been debating under the thread about Jesus resurrection and debating against the proof that Christians use that Jesus rose from the dead,I wanted to put a positive thread up.
I do not believe in living in the past so finding a grave or old writing on papyrus about Jesus to me is silly, I don't think its necessary to physically prove Christianity is real, and I don't Christians ever will. I know Christians here
disagree with me.
However , the thing is that I don't need historic science to prove my faith, I am a Zen Buddhist and I don't believe there's any real proof for Buddha either.
I just think having faith in my own higher power is proof for me. I am going to start visiting the Quakers however, and they do not convert folks at church, and they don't have a preacher, but do have a Christian sermon once a month and bible study once a month.
They told me if its God will for someone to come to Christ they can build a relationship with their higher power God and God will lead them. I feel strongly about that if Hod wants me to be a Christian it will be between me and him and not though an alter call or joining a church. I am not against becoming Christian that way, if God leads me then that'll be.
So here is my defense for Christians.In AA there is a lot of people who use both the church ministry and Alcoholics Anonymous to get clean.
There are Christianized half way houses in Tx. which claim a higher rate of success then regular halfway houses, some of them claim 40 or 50 percent clean and sober rate for people staying sober for 5 years or more.That maybe the truth I am not, sure but there are a lot of folks coming from those type of halfway houses who do stay clean for a long time.
Despite the fact that I argue not all scholars believe Jesus was real( there is a lot of historians and scholars who claim to believe in mythology),there are a lot of smart brilliant people who are Christians. I'm watching the Johnny Cash story Walk The Line right now and he and his wife were brilliant and talented and they were Christians.
The bible being printed in the olden days m during the 15 and 1600s, was a miracle because once folks came to America and could read the bible and interpret it for themselves more people started learning to read.Unfortunately in Europe at one time the Priests who were Catholic would not let people read, everything was read and interpreted for them.
However I believe a lot of folks learned to read and write in the 1800s and 1700s just so they could read the bible, and a lot of children learned to read, because teachers use to use the bible in teaching children to read. So the bible has been useful as a teaching tool for students in the 1800s.
The church does a lot of good stuff, much of our help for the disaster relief for the hurricane comes from churches.Not sure what we would do without all the help that the churches give our community.
That being said there's been a lot of good come from Christianity.I do not need an old relic from the past for proof of any religion its up to my higher power. Right now I just pray to God. But will be going to the Quakers,I look forward to seeking the voice of God.
conservative Evangelical Christianity or come at it from a conservative view point.
But sense i have been debating under the thread about Jesus resurrection and debating against the proof that Christians use that Jesus rose from the dead,I wanted to put a positive thread up.
I do not believe in living in the past so finding a grave or old writing on papyrus about Jesus to me is silly, I don't think its necessary to physically prove Christianity is real, and I don't Christians ever will. I know Christians here
disagree with me.
However , the thing is that I don't need historic science to prove my faith, I am a Zen Buddhist and I don't believe there's any real proof for Buddha either.
I just think having faith in my own higher power is proof for me. I am going to start visiting the Quakers however, and they do not convert folks at church, and they don't have a preacher, but do have a Christian sermon once a month and bible study once a month.
They told me if its God will for someone to come to Christ they can build a relationship with their higher power God and God will lead them. I feel strongly about that if Hod wants me to be a Christian it will be between me and him and not though an alter call or joining a church. I am not against becoming Christian that way, if God leads me then that'll be.
So here is my defense for Christians.In AA there is a lot of people who use both the church ministry and Alcoholics Anonymous to get clean.
There are Christianized half way houses in Tx. which claim a higher rate of success then regular halfway houses, some of them claim 40 or 50 percent clean and sober rate for people staying sober for 5 years or more.That maybe the truth I am not, sure but there are a lot of folks coming from those type of halfway houses who do stay clean for a long time.
Despite the fact that I argue not all scholars believe Jesus was real( there is a lot of historians and scholars who claim to believe in mythology),there are a lot of smart brilliant people who are Christians. I'm watching the Johnny Cash story Walk The Line right now and he and his wife were brilliant and talented and they were Christians.
The bible being printed in the olden days m during the 15 and 1600s, was a miracle because once folks came to America and could read the bible and interpret it for themselves more people started learning to read.Unfortunately in Europe at one time the Priests who were Catholic would not let people read, everything was read and interpreted for them.
However I believe a lot of folks learned to read and write in the 1800s and 1700s just so they could read the bible, and a lot of children learned to read, because teachers use to use the bible in teaching children to read. So the bible has been useful as a teaching tool for students in the 1800s.
The church does a lot of good stuff, much of our help for the disaster relief for the hurricane comes from churches.Not sure what we would do without all the help that the churches give our community.
That being said there's been a lot of good come from Christianity.I do not need an old relic from the past for proof of any religion its up to my higher power. Right now I just pray to God. But will be going to the Quakers,I look forward to seeking the voice of God.