Israel is a racist endeavor

[Stevicus]

That's not what I posted about.
It's the habit of SJWs to take possession of language (and culture) as if they alone own it.

You really don't understand what Uncle Tom means in the context?

Tom

Was Harriet Beecher Stowe an "SJW" of her era? She could be seen as such; I'm not sure.

 

[columbus]

Was Harriet Beecher Stowe an "SJW" of her era? She could be seen as such; I'm not sure.

When I first heard the term "Social Justice Warrior" I thought it was a badge of honor. I knew people who invested a great deal of their lives fighting for peace and justice. That's who I thought it referred to, and who I aspired to become one of.

Over time I came to realize that that isn't who the SJWs are. The SJWs are the posers. They gesture and virtue signal and talk. But the bottom line is that they are about themselves and their tribe, not about the human race as a whole.

From what I can gather, not pretending to be a mind reader or judging individuals from a culture as different from mine as her's was, my guess is that she was more of a saint than the general usage of SJW.
Tom

 

[Regiomontanus]

Is it the term "race", or are you just against in all ways categorizing the biological differences resulting from divergent development?

Hello. The differences among us ('races') are trivial, genetically speaking, and should not be used to divide us and invoked to make someone an "other". That is where I am coming from.

 

[Mister Emu]

Hello. The differences among us ('races') are trivial, genetically speaking,

I'm sorry, but I must respectfully disagree. The genetic differences that lead to conditions like Tay-Sachs or Sickle-cell, for instance, are not trivial; they can be matters of life and death.

should not be used to divide us and invoked to make someone an "other".

I agree, we shouldn't use genetic differences to sow discord between groups. But, that still leaves the question of how to handle characterizing/categorizing the biological differences in populations. Should we ignore them?

 

[Regiomontanus]

I'm sorry, but I must respectfully disagree. The genetic differences that lead to conditions like Tay-Sachs or Sickle-cell, for instance, are not trivial; they can be matters of life and death.

Hello. Yeah, I think (hope!) we can all agree genetic disorders are not trivial.

 

[Mister Emu]

Hello. Yeah, I think (hope!) we can all agree genetic disorders are not trivial.

So you are agreeing with me that there are non-trivial genetic differences between racially categorized populations?

 

[Shaul]

This is a calumny against those who make legitimate criticisms of the policies of the Israeli government towards Palestine and the Palestinians.

So it isn’t a calumny against those that illegitimately do? Oh, and who decides which are legitimate or not?

 

[Shad]

Posters claiming 'Israel is a racist endeavour' appear across London

No comment.

So Jews are a race again? The oppression Olympics are going to need to be adjusted... again

 

[Shad]

Which the US threatens to come down on with a vengeance.

No the US actually bribed these nations decades ago to shift many from the Soviet sphere to an America one.

 

[PruePhillip]

This is a calumny against those who make legitimate criticisms of the policies of the Israeli government towards Palestine and the Palestinians.

No. As the Arabs of oten say, the Palestinians accept every offer made by
the Israelis - after it has been withdrawn.
The Palestinians have had ample opportunity, going back before 1948, to
do a deal with the Jews - and rejected it. Even a port, airfield and rail-line to
facilitate Gaza so it could work with Israel, even be an industrial park, was
rejected. Why? Because some Israeli soldiers ran over some Palestinians.

Truth be told, Palestinians won't deal with Jews. It's not borders at all, it's
land - all of it.

I like what Niki Haley said

 

[PruePhillip]

This won’t happen in our lifetime so suggesting that we do is pointless even though you are completely right.

Never could figure out this "there's no such thing as race" business.
Reminds me of the one I grew up with - "there's no such thing as a cannibal."
Hell, if two men stand before me - one is Somali and the other is Chinese, and
I am told there's no such thing as race, then I am sure I can tell which is African
and which is Asian.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Never could figure out this "there's no such thing as race" business.
Reminds me of the one I grew up with - "there's no such thing as a cannibal."
Hell, if two men stand before me - one is Somali and the other is Chinese, and
I am told there's no such thing as race, then I am sure I can tell which is African
and which is Asian.

There is no difference between an African and an Asian except by the difference between language and ethnic group. An ethnic group is a group that has members of the same or similar national and cultural traditions. Race is not recognized by the scientific immunity because there is no difference between humans. We are not of a different species and because of that we are able to breed with each other. And because of that, we are of the same species therefore there is no real concept such as race.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

That's not what I posted about.
It's the habit of SJWs to take possession of language (and culture) as if they alone own it.

Sounds similar to what I see a lot of White Americans do daily from people of other cultures.

 

[PruePhillip]

There is no difference between an African and an Asian except by the difference between language and ethnic group. An ethnic group is a group that has members of the same or similar national and cultural traditions. Race is not recognized by the scientific immunity because there is no difference between humans. We are not of a different species and because of that we are able to breed with each other. And because of that, we are of the same species therefore there is no real concept such as race.

Never looked into this - with either the Left or The Science. But by race I take it there are variations that identify a genetic group. Nothing to do with species or sub-species.
I can tell a "race" of Somalis from a "race" of Chinese - the two groups have been separated by maybe 60,000 or more years. Now maybe someone on the Left will say they cannot tell the African from the Asian, but I sure can. That's race to me - common sense, not politics.

 

[exchemist]

No. As the Arabs of oten say, the Palestinians accept every offer made by
the Israelis - after it has been withdrawn.
The Palestinians have had ample opportunity, going back before 1948, to
do a deal with the Jews - and rejected it. Even a port, airfield and rail-line to
facilitate Gaza so it could work with Israel, even be an industrial park, was
rejected. Why? Because some Israeli soldiers ran over some Palestinians.

Truth be told, Palestinians won't deal with Jews. It's not borders at all, it's
land - all of it.

I like what Niki Haley said

You miss the point. It is an entirely general one. It is a calumny to equate criticism of Israeli government policy with antisemitism. That is true, regardless of how good or bad the grounds for such criticism may be in particular cases.

If we were to equate criticism of Israel with antisemitism, that would mean either:
a ) that the Israeli state could do not wrong, or
b ) that if it did wrong, we would be forbidden from mentioning it.

Now, regarding Palestine and the Palestinians, it is plain that there are grounds for criticism of the Israeli government's policies. They are criticised from within Israel itself, by people who are presumably Jews themselves. So, are you really telling me that these criticisms are motivated by antisemitism?

 

[PruePhillip]

You miss the point. It is an entirely general one. It is a calumny to equate criticism of Israeli government policy with antisemitism. That is true, regardless of how good or bad the grounds for such criticism may be in particular cases.

If we were to equate criticism of Israel with antisemitism, that would mean either:
a ) that the Israeli state could do not wrong, or
b ) that if it did wrong, we would be forbidden from mentioning it.

Now, regarding Palestine and the Palestinians, it is plain that there are grounds for criticism of the Israeli government's policies. They are criticised from within Israel itself, by people who are presumably Jews themselves. So, are you really telling me that these criticisms are motivated by antisemitism?

Your point is perfectly correct. The issues are separate. But often they are not, they
become conflated by people who dress up antisemitism as mere statements against
Israel. This pernicious racism was dressed up in the past too. People weren't killing
Jews because they are Jews but because of Jerusalem, or the plague, or Jesus, or the
world's banks or even sacrificed Christian boys. And some Shia Arab in France who
attacks a Jew might say it's because of Israel's policies. But chances are he won't attack
a Sunni Arab for his government's policies. And as Nikki Haley would say it, something
becomes antisemitic when it attacks Israel's policies, BUT NO-ONE ELSES.

 

[Stevicus]

You miss the point. It is an entirely general one. It is a calumny to equate criticism of Israeli government policy with antisemitism. That is true, regardless of how good or bad the grounds for such criticism may be in particular cases.

If we were to equate criticism of Israel with antisemitism, that would mean either:
a ) that the Israeli state could do not wrong, or
b ) that if it did wrong, we would be forbidden from mentioning it.

Now, regarding Palestine and the Palestinians, it is plain that there are grounds for criticism of the Israeli government's policies. They are criticised from within Israel itself, by people who are presumably Jews themselves. So, are you really telling me that these criticisms are motivated by antisemitism?

I tend to agree with you, though I've heard it come up in the past, where criticism of Israel has been equated with anti-Semitism, at least in US political discourse. Although it seems it was more prevalent in the past than in more recent years. I recall when actress Vanessa Redgrave made some remarks about Israel at the Academy Awards during the late 1970s, and she was criticized as being anti-Semitic.

 

[Woberts]

I'm sure that some criticisms of Israel are based off of anti-Semitism.
Definitely not all of them.

 

[exchemist]

I tend to agree with you, though I've heard it come up in the past, where criticism of Israel has been equated with anti-Semitism, at least in US political discourse. Although it seems it was more prevalent in the past than in more recent years. I recall when actress Vanessa Redgrave made some remarks about Israel at the Academy Awards during the late 1970s, and she was criticized as being anti-Semitic.

Speaking as a Brit who has lived in the US and travelled in the Middle East a fair bit, I must I say I encounter this confusion fairly regularly among Americans. There is in the US a powerful Israel lobby, which does its best to mix the two things up as much as possible. Walt and Mearsheimer wrote a book about it, which I have read and which rang very true to me. (The most amusing thing about that book was that one of the authors got told (1) there was no such thing as an "Israel lobby" and (2) if he continued to write about it, they would make sure he never got another academic post! )

The trouble is that some of these lobby organisations claim, quite wrongly, to speak on behalf of all Jewish people, which, if one is not careful, actually causes antisemitism, because people can be tricked into thinking that's true.

We get the same sort of phenomenon in the UK, with muslim organisations that claim to speak for British muslims, but have been taken over by political islam, which is actually just a political project and not part of the religion at all.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I can tell a "race" of Somalis from a "race" of Chinese.

Again, the scientific community states there is no such thing as “race.” When you see a Somalian (that’s if you can recognize what a Somalian looks like) you see an individual belonging to a people of the Somalian country who shares features and/or language and culture of that community. The same can be said of people of Chinese descent.

Now maybe someone on the Left will say they cannot tell the African from the Asian, but I sure can. That's race to me - common sense, not politics.

What does political lean have to do with a scientific fact that humans are of the same species and that race is non-existent and is nothing more than a social construct. You may see a difference between someone of dark skin and someone of lighter skin and this is due to genetic variation from human evolution.

It is fact that there is genetic variation therefore you do see physiological differences but it is also fact that you do not see a Somalian (because being of dark complexion does not by default make you from somalia) but rather you merely see physiological differences.