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What do you want to know about Islam

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
No, I think you have got it wrong. All Prophets and Messengers were Muslims. Jews and Christians deviated from the correct path. The Quran tells the story of both of them.
Or... the Jews and Christians did not deviate and the Qur'an is just wrong. :)
 

Binyad Q

Member
What is he, though?

I know his traits. Different religions can explain what he does and how they see him but

What is it you are exactly explaining?

Example

John is handsome
John knows a lot about his boyfriend
John loves his friends

I ask, what is John

You say: human being
I understand you want more info. God is God. That is it. Please emphasize on what you want to know about him
 

Binyad Q

Member
I just want to say that all the answers I give are based on my knowledge of being a Muslim my whole life. If my answers have not satisfied you, please look up articles and videos online to learn more. I am not a scholar or anything like that. I just want to educate people on this forum. You have the choice to believe or not.
Thanks
 

shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
If that is what you want to believe in, ok then. I can't force you to accept Islam

@Binyad Q , but if you follow your religion to the T, isn't the expectation that you track down the non-believers and kill them? And this pleases Allah (the all-merciful), adding merit to you and improving the odds of you ascending to heaven?

I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of how to treat non-believers.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
No, I think you have got it wrong. All Prophets and Messengers were Muslims. Jews and Christians deviated from the correct path. The Quran tells the story of both of them.

You say this because your prophet said so but how do you know he said the truth, just like and so called prophet they are just humans,your prophet and the satanic verses which was a very human mistake to make
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I just want to say that all the answers I give are based on my knowledge of being a Muslim my whole life. If my answers have not satisfied you, please look up articles and videos online to learn more. I am not a scholar or anything like that. I just want to educate people on this forum. You have the choice to believe or not.
Thanks
How will you feel if I say (and that is indeed the truth) that once I learned how central theism is for Islaam it sealed the deal far as I am concerned?

Any doctrine that simply expects people to hold a belief in a God and does not know how to deal witht he simple fact that not everyone can have such a belief is not for me - and almost certainly isn't accurate either.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I understand you want more info. God is God. That is it. Please emphasize on what you want to know about him

I actually don't know what a god is. I know about him, to an extent. I don't know the Islam view. Jews don't describe him.

What do you mean god is one or god is god?
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Ok, let me make myself clear. I believe everything about Islam. In order to understand Islam, you need to study it. Don't just study about the verses and books that talk about death and killing. Please go and study Islam as a whole.
Thanks
And allow me make myself clear also. There are certain things that would halt my even bothering to look more in-depth at a doctrine or belief system. The proclamation/idea that people who leave the belief-system be killed is one of those. It is a deal breaker for me.

Such a thing being condoned/mandated by a belief system immediately leads me to consider that belief system is of an immature and undeveloped nature, both spiritually and humanistically. It would be like meeting someone, starting to get to know them, and then halfway into the conversation, with all sincerity, they say "Oh, and I go out and murder people on Saturday mornings." What would you do in such a situation? Probably call the police, try and make sure you never crossed paths again, and easily write the person off as psychotic. At least... that's what I would do. And my deeming further investigation of Islam as a mostly unnecessary endeavor for me is done for the same sort of reason.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
There have been disputes between the scholars, but the most prevalent opinion is that it is punishable by death. I will tell you something about this though. The apostate is given a chance to come back to Islam. When someone leaves Islam, it's like he or she breaks down the pillars that keep his or her life together.

I can see that as unfortunate culturally, but spiritually wouldn't god be the judge and actor of punishment and not the Muslim?

I mean, nowadays (I stress nowadays) when one goes against the Catholic Church (say a priest did something or a person married against church laws) they can be excommunicated: they can no longer be apart of the church more take the sacraments. They cut themselves off from god.

But the church doesn't kill people just disowns them.

By what means does a Muslim warrant death by another Muslim rather than by god?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Murder is one of the major sins in Islam. You are not allowed to kill except if a person causes corruption. For example, if a treaty has been broken or betrayal takes place, killing is permissible. Don't forget though, Forgiving is the best option in most regards

If someone goes against Islam, forgiving him would be the greatest test of god to perform, right?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
No, I think you have got it wrong. All Prophets and Messengers were Muslims. Jews and Christians deviated from the correct path. The Quran tells the story of both of them.
That is certainly the Muslim version of the tale.

It is also, unavoidably, rather suspect from the perspective of those who were not raised with such an expectation. After all, it casually appropriates traditions centuries or millenia older than itself and decrees them misguided, even as it claims to have literal divine authority itself.

By any perspective, that is at the very least very bold. Such an approach all but begs for people to doubt and challenge it, even leaving aside the plain fact that it also amounts to a very rude accusation of neglect and lack of wisdom directed towards billions of people.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
It was in the hamas charter,some say it depicts the end times but hamas had it in their charter and apply it rigorously today, really it means there's no hiding place for Jews, isn't religion cuddly.

They call Islam "religion of peace" AND believe this, can you believe that?:rolleyes:

Islam and EndTime Prophecy: Mosab Hassan Yousef.
A Muslim insider, the son of one of the leaders of Hamas left Islam AND warns us for the Koran/Islam. 29m30s he explains a bit. I found it interesting. Warning for verses 9:5 and 9:29.
[Sheikh Hassan Yousef is one of the leaders of Hamas in the West Bank. He is considered a member of Hamas' extremist faction, though he refrains from any talk of rapprochement between Israel and the Palestinians]
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Ok, let me explain more. Different cultures and Religions have different ethics. What you call ethical might not be ethical for someone else.
No. Suppressing a person's freedom of conscience and murdering him for merely following through his convictions about God is universally, objectively and definitively immoral and unethical. A religion that says that this should be done and a God who ordains such are as evil as those ancient religions who killed humans as a sacrifice to propitiate their demonic Gods. This too is human sacrifice to please a God. Thus, it logically follows that Islamic God is a demon. If Islam teaches this, it should be banned in all civilized countries just as cults that ordain human sacrifice etc. are banned.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
...Religion = the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods....
Just a side note that religion includes all religions not just those who believe in a superhuman. Strictly speaking religion is what you do regularly. A Muslim may pray 5 times daily. A christian may goes to church with regularity. An athlete may get up at 5 each morning to train. The religion is what people do and why, and the why is where beliefs attach to the description of various religions. Religion is not a set of beliefs. It is how people behave and why.
 

Binyad Q

Member
@Binyad Q , but if you follow your religion to the T, isn't the expectation that you track down the non-believers and kill them? And this pleases Allah (the all-merciful), adding merit to you and improving the odds of you ascending to heaven?

I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of how to treat non-believers.
No, you are wrong. Muslims are not allowed to "hunt non-believers and kill them". It is their choice. God will deal with them later
 
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