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Fornication ( porneia ) by any other name is still fornication ( Greek porneia )
I believe it would have helped me if the translators had used the phrase pre-marital sex. As a youth I had no idea what fornication meant.
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Fornication ( porneia ) by any other name is still fornication ( Greek porneia )
Fine. Where does the Bible say fornication is a sin or even forbidden?
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And the verses describing the wedding? Or is the bar for weddings set so low that simply announcing they were going to have sex now is enough?Definite maybe, but it isn't recorded. However, they were married.
Didn't Jesus exist thanks to a couple of hookers back in the family tree? From Kenneth C. Davis' Don't Know Much About the Bible (page 150 according to my kindle):Fornication ( porneia ) by any other name is still fornication ( Greek porneia )
Remember Tamar, the woman who pretended to be a prostitute with Judah back in Genesis? When her twins were born, a red cord was tied around the hand of one, Zerah. That cord provides a symbolic connection to the red cord Rahab dangles out her window. According to other Jewish accounts, Rahab was the ancestor of several prophets. But New Testament genealogy in Matthew says Rahab was the mother of Boaz, who marries Ruth (see Ruth) and is another ancestor of David. That means the great king of Israel -- as well as Jesus, whose lineage is traced to David -- is descended from a pair of prostitutes whose exploits are generally overlooked.
Joseph quickly disappears from the gospels after a certain point never to be heard from again. Jesus clearly has a poor attitude towards his family and families in general, even to the extent of saying you can't follow him at all if you love your family. Maybe Joe went through that quiet divorce after all?We see that one parent families are at a great disadvantage, many live in poverty, and in extreme circumstances, even regarding abuse.
So we have to turn to a completely different book to shoehorn in a meaning not present in the book actually under discussion?Chapter two. We know its about marriage because of Ephesians Chapter five.
Hmm. . . . guess it all depends on what you read. Some of the Bibles that don't mention fornication at all in 1 Corinthians 6:9 are:1Co 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
Weddings can be big as they can be "I pronounce you man and wife" with no fanfare. How many have you done? I remember one church where after the sermon he said "Are you just living together and have decided that you want to please God and get married, come up now!" 6 couples came and he pronounced them "man and wife" and said "Go get the legal documents and I willl sign them".And the verses describing the wedding? Or is the bar for weddings set so low that simply announcing they were going to have sex now is enough?
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Who in the world said "God can't work through your mistakes"? Jesus said to the woman, "i don't condemn you either, go and sin no more".Didn't Jesus exist thanks to a couple of hookers back in the family tree? From Kenneth C. Davis' Don't Know Much About the Bible (page 150 according to my kindle):
OHhhhhh... So you are saying God will ONLY work through perfect people! OOPS! Scratch the whole world out!We wouldn't have Jesus at all had a couple of horny men actually kept it in their pants, so to speak.
I KNOW there is a point here... was it the period after the first sentence?Joseph quickly disappears from the gospels after a certain point never to be heard from again. Jesus clearly has a poor attitude towards his family and families in general, even to the extent of saying you can't follow him at all if you love your family. Maybe Joe went through that quiet divorce after all?
Not at all... but "you are now husband and wife" doesn't mean that you don't know everything.So we have to turn to a completely different book to shoehorn in a meaning not present in the book actually under discussion?
Hmm. . . . guess it all depends on what you read. Some of the Bibles that don't mention fornication at all in 1 Corinthians 6:9 are:
In fact, only 18 out of the 59 (30%) of the Bibles I checked mention "fornication" in 1 Corinthians 6:9:
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Bible verses related to Fornication from the King James Version (KJV) by RelevanceHmm. . . . guess it all depends on what you read. Some of the Bibles that don't mention fornication at all in 1 Corinthians 6:9 are:.
"Fornicators God will judge", from Hebrews would be oneAre there any scriptures that forbid premarital sex, particularly premarital sexual intercourse?
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From where in Hebrews?"Fornicators God will judge", from Hebrews would be one
Of course there is redemption and mercy and forgiveness as well
Bible verses related to Fornication from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance
1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. (Read More...)
Hebrews 13:4 - Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
John 8:41-42 - Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God. (Read More...)
Galatians 5:19-21 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 7:2 - Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1 Corinthians 10:13 - There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].
1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Matthew 5:32 - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (Read More...)
Mark 7:20-23 - And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. (Read More...)
Matthew 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
1 Corinthians 5:1 - It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1 Corinthians 6:13 - Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-4 - For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: (Read More...)
Exodus 22:16-17 - And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. (Read More...)
Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Romans 12:1-2 - I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. (Read More...)
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
BIBLE VERSES ABOUT FORNICATION
I believe it would have helped me if the translators had used the phrase pre-marital sex. As a youth I had no idea what fornication meant.
From where in Hebrews?
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By what definition of "married?" Please be precise.Definite maybe, but it isn't recorded. However, they were married.
Okay.Try Hebrews 13:4
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Hmm. . . . don't see a single mention of "fornication." In fact, out of the 59 Versions I checked only 12 (20%) used the word "fornication" in Hebrews 13:4.
Hebrews 13:4
RSV
4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous.
KJ21
Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
CEB
Marriage must be honored in every respect, with no cheating on the relationship, because God will judge the sexually immoral person and the person who commits adultery.
CEV
Have respect for marriage. Always be faithful to your partner, because God will punish anyone who is immoral or unfaithful in marriage.
ESVUK
Let marriage be held in honour among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
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Hmm. . . . don't see a single mention of "fornication." In fact, out of the 59 Versions I checked only 12 (20%) used the word "fornication" in Hebrews 13:4.Hebrews 13:4
RSV
4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous.
KJ21
Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
CEB
Marriage must be honored in every respect, with no cheating on the relationship, because God will judge the sexually immoral person and the person who commits adultery.
CEV
Have respect for marriage. Always be faithful to your partner, because God will punish anyone who is immoral or unfaithful in marriage.
ESVUK
Let marriage be held in honour among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.