White Supremacy and Christianity

[Enoch07]

I think they were trying to highlight the incongruence between being a Jew hating white supremacist and also a follower of a religion founded by a Jew, and were wondering how these KKK people managed to rationalise away this problem.

There is no rationale behind hate.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

What part of "the South" do you hail from?

I was born and raised in Compton on the westcoast....My mom was from Mississippi as well as my grand-father and grand-mother before they moved to Joliet Illinois. I have a few cousins from Georgia and other parts of Alabama I'm unfamiliar with. First time my grand-father told me about the south was when he discussed his experiences as a kid where a white man called him a boy when he (my grand-father) mistakenly looked at the white man in his eyes (apparently in the south blacks were not allowed to look at whites directly in their eyes at that time--apparently to look at someone directly face to face means you are on equal footing with them). On my grand-mother's side of the family she is a descendent upon a white man raping someone (I believe her grand-mother) and so subsequent descendants were bi-racial through that course of action....

 

[oldbadger]

Jews killed Jesus. Jews are heretics, Jews kill Christian babies to harvest their blood, etc.

Bigots gonna bigot.

Rubbish.
Only a corrupt priesthood wanted Jesus executed.
The vast huge majority of the Jewish peasantry supported him.

In any event your claim is similar to some crazy mob today calling Germans murderers because of what Hitler did.

And Jews can't be heretics because they never left their religion. However, back in the day it was the Christians who had deserted Judaism or the Roman Gods who were the heretics. It was they who were described as the first atheists, because they did not believe in the Romans' 'real' Gods.

 

[Brickjectivity]

They refuse to die off because there is a large swath of whites in the South that still believe in what the klan and other white nationalists believe in even though they don't identify with the klan......Obama's presidency is a real obvious truth there.

There are individuals, but I have family in the deep south. That does not characterize most people in the South. Its been over 50 years since desegregation. I think that people in the South watch the same TV shows. There are many progressives there, too. I notice a lot of churches in the South have both white and black faces in them. I think the lingering effects of segregation are gradually being overcome: mistrust, misunderstanding, differences in family history, differences in family wealth.

 

[Sleeppy]

They have the same problem as most other Christians, (or Jews, for that matter); they are self-righteous, i.e. practitioners of autolatry.

 

[BSM1]

I was born and raised in Compton on the westcoast....My mom was from Mississippi as well as my grand-father and grand-mother before they moved to Joliet Illinois. I have a few cousins from Georgia and other parts of Alabama I'm unfamiliar with. First time my grand-father told me about the south was when he discussed his experiences as a kid where a white man called him a boy when he (my grand-father) mistakenly looked at the white man in his eyes (apparently in the south blacks were not allowed to look at whites directly in their eyes at that time--apparently to look at someone directly face to face means you are on equal footing with them). On my grand-mother's side of the family she is a descendent upon a white man raping someone (I believe her grand-mother) and so subsequent descendants were bi-racial through that course of action....

I was raised in the South and the North (not much difference in either compass direction when it came to bigotry, btw) in the '50s so I understand your point of view. However, most of us that were raised in this environment realize how insidious it was. Granted there are still idiots that still racist beliefs, but I--like most Southerners I know--did not raise their children with the same stereotypical garbage that was a way of life at one time. Unfortunately I believe you are listening to the more vocal of both sides.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is no rationale behind hate.

There actually is.
And it's useful to understand it.
They fear threats to their idea of normal.
They don't know people who are different, so they insulated from a larger reality.
They have goofily dangerous religious beliefs.

 

[Rival]

They have the same problem as most other Christians, (or Jews, for that matter); they are self-righteous, i.e. practitioners of autolatry.

Care to substantiate?

 

[Augustus]

Rubbish.
Only a corrupt priesthood wanted Jesus executed.
The vast huge majority of the Jewish peasantry supported him.

In any event your claim is similar to some crazy mob today calling Germans murderers because of what Hitler did.

And Jews can't be heretics because they never left their religion. However, back in the day it was the Christians who had deserted Judaism or the Roman Gods who were the heretics. It was they who were described as the first atheists, because they did not believe in the Romans' 'real' Gods.

Are you saying the KKK are genuinely interested in an accurate historiographical analysis of 1st C Judaea? Or did you mistake the KKK viewpoint for my own?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

There are individuals, but I have family in the deep south. That does not characterize most people in the South. Its been over 50 years since desegregation. I think that people in the South watch the same TV shows. There are many progressives there, too. I notice a lot of churches in the South have both white and black faces in them. I think the lingering effects of segregation are gradually being overcome: mistrust, misunderstanding, differences in family history, differences in family wealth.

True there are individuals but then there are people like this (FYI strong language in the following video):

Notice her sorority sisters didn't stop her........

Yeah in my mind F**k the South.

 

[Augustus]

There is no rationale behind hate.

There is almost always a rationale behind hate although often it is somewhat idiotic.

 

[pearl]

True. Both collective praise and blame for some group over what some people might have done in history seems common enough though.

But none resulted in such a heinous mindset as to ignore the murder of millions of Jews because 'collectively' they were 'god killers.'

 

[Enoch07]

There is almost always a rationale behind hate although often it is somewhat idiotic.

Same difference.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I was raised in the South and the North (not much difference in either compass direction when it came to bigotry, btw) in the '50s so I understand your point of view. However, most of us that were raised in this environment realize how insidious it was. Granted there are still idiots that still racist beliefs, but I--like most Southerners I know--did not raise their children with the same stereotypical garbage that was a way of life at one time. Unfortunately I believe you are listening to the more vocal of both sides.

Unfortunately you're an exception not the rule. I'm not even from the South my immediate family is and even I don't want to travel there.

 

[Enoch07]

There actually is.
And it's useful to understand it.
They fear threats to their idea of normal.
They don't know people who are different, so they insulated from a larger reality.
They have goofily dangerous religious beliefs.

Really because I know some atheist who are just as racist as any members of the KKK. The only difference is they don't wear a hood.

 

[BSM1]

Unfortunately you're an exception not the rule. I'm not even from the South my immediate family is and even I don't want to travel there.

Thankfully I'm not. Perception sometimes overshadows reality.

 

[oldbadger]

Are you saying the KKK are genuinely interested in an accurate historiographical analysis of 1st C Judaea? Or did you mistake the KKK viewpoint for my own?

Yep, I was only replying to the writing which I could see, thus:-
Jews killed Jesus. Jews are heretics, Jews kill Christian babies to harvest their blood, etc.
Bigots gonna bigot.

And I just wanted to say how wrong it was.

 

[Jumi]

But none resulted in such a heinous mindset as to ignore the murder of millions of Jews because 'collectively' they were 'god killers.'

That's not the only genocide that has happened or is going to happen. It also happened with black slavery, with people thinking they were somehow inferior to the people of the European empires, it happened with Turks and the original peoples of their country. It's also happened to my ancestors.

I think heinous mindsets are too common and it's easy to get into those. Talking to someone who wants to kill you for what you were born as can be a hair raising experience.

 

[Revoltingest]

Really because I know some atheist who are just as racist as any members of the KKK. The only difference is they don't wear a hood.

I never said that religion was a necessary criterion to be racist.
But it's has a strong correlation with KKK membership.

 

[columbus]

What part of "the South" do you hail from?

I hail from the northern most part of the South, southern Indiana.

Yeah, there's a lot of that here where I live. Less than it used to be, but still.
Tom