Which evolved first, tendons or bones

[shunyadragon]

Do you believe that evolution was planned by God?

God does not plan nor design God Creates. Humans design and plan and as engineers do so imperfectly. Intelligent Design is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

How do you expect to understand evolution, and especially the complicated evolution of cartlige, tendons, bone and muscle without a good academic background?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Or one of the science hadiths?

For some reason the notion of "science hadiths" makes me chuckle internally

 

[Baroodi]

(Verily We created man from a type of a clay, then We placed him as a Nuttfa(Zygot) in a secured resort* Then We created the Nuttfa ito a suspended tissue, Then We created the suspended tissue to Mudqa, Then We created the Mudqa to bones, Then We wrapped the bones with flesh. Then We established him to another creature. Blessed Be God, the best of the creators)
Noble Quran 23:13-14

the stages the embryo development as described more than 1400 years ago by Quran. No other devine book described this nor medicine except only early in last century

 

[Revoltingest]

For some reason the notion of "science hadiths" makes me chuckle internally

I was thinking how one must read the differential equation hadiths.

 

[Polymath257]

I was thinking how one must read the differential equation hadiths.

How did Mohammad solve Bessell's equation? That *must* be the way we *all* should do it!

 

[shunyadragon]

How can you believe in evolution and the bible? Are you hedging your bets on God?

No bets hedged,

I am not a Christian nor Jew, I am a Baha'i.

Like the scripture of all ancient religions they represent an ancient view of God and the nature of our existence. The world and progressive Revelation has moved on.

 

[FearGod]

God does not plan nor design God Creates. Humans design and plan and as engineers do so imperfectly. Intelligent Design is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

How do you expect to understand evolution, and especially the complicated evolution of cartlige, tendons, bone and muscle without a good academic background?

If I created something, then does that mean I created it without a plan or design, how the creator is different?

 

[shunyadragon]

If I created something, then does that mean I created it without a plan or design, how the creator is different?

If you put yourself on the same level as God we most definitely have a problem here.

No God does not need a plan nor design.

 

[FearGod]

No bets hedged,

I am not a Christian nor Jew, I am a Baha'i.

Like the scripture of all ancient religions they represent an ancient view of God and the nature of our existence. The world and progressive Revelation has moved on.

That means ancient books have been expired and you don't deal with it, why Bahai then, why not waiting for a modern revelation.

 

[FearGod]

If you put yourself on the same level as God we most definitely have a problem here.

No God does not need a plan nor design.

How do you know that God doesn't need a plan to create something?

 

[shunyadragon]

How do you know that God doesn't need a plan to create something?

This getting deep beyond my reasoning. Humans do not 'know' God. We need to move on.

 

[columbus]

If I created something, then does that mean I created it without a plan or design, how the creator is different?

You are a limited human being. God isn't.
You have to think of something, then plan and work to produce it. Why would God be so limited?
Tom

 

[Kenny]

Tendons connect bones together in away that enable us to have flexible movements, the
way that bones are connected together is a sign of a design and not a blind evolution, if
you think that tendons and bones were a result of mutations and natural selections then
please explain how both evolved together to achieve such an amazing job.

That's a good question.

The eye sees things upside down and the brain turns it around. I can't think how they would both evolve simultaneously... does that mean we first saw and walked seeing everything upside down? And then the body started turing it around? How would a body know it was upside down? And know how to turn it right side up?

One of those Hmmmmm.... that science will have to discover.

 

[shunyadragon]

That's a good question.

The eye sees things upside down and the brain turns it around. I can't think how they would both evolve simultaneously... does that mean we first saw and walked seeing everything upside down? And then the body started turing it around? How would a body know it was upside down? And know how to turn it right side up?

One of those Hmmmmm.... that science will have to discover.

No need, you just need an education on the many variations of the eye as they evolved from the simple light sensitive cells. A good science education helps.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The eye sees things upside down and the brain turns it around. I can't think how they would both evolve simultaneously... does that mean we first saw and walked seeing everything upside down? And then the body started turing it around? How would a body know it was upside down? And know how to turn it right side up?

There's an interesting experiment where volunteers wear image inverting lenses. Their minds get used to it, and then if the lenses are removed they have to readjust. The perception of the inverse changes, and then they see things upside down as if it is normal. The brains get used to seeing things inverted or not pretty quickly -- within a few weeks.

Experiments show we quickly adjust to seeing everything upside-down

 

[sayak83]

How do you know that God doesn't need a plan to create something?

It's not in the Bible? If Genesis is considered theologically then the method of God's creation is to "activate" realms of matter (here earth) so that new entities emerge from it.

Then God said, “Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it.


God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.

Thus, for an enlightened Jew/Christian, evolution is the active process by which earth brings forth life on God's command.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Fa


So you believe in natural history through "observation"...but you dont need to "observe" the extraoridnary claim of God to believe in it? Makes sense?...If you were being tried in a court of law and were inoocent...would you want your jury to utilize obseravtion and evidence or render your verdict off faith?

What's your point?

 

[FearGod]

You are a limited human being. God isn't.
You have to think of something, then plan and work to produce it. Why would God be so limited?
Tom

And how do you know what's God's ability, from where you got your information about God and for what
he can do and for what he can't?

 

[FearGod]

It's not in the Bible? If Genesis is considered theologically then the method of God's creation is to "activate" realms of matter (here earth) so that new entities emerge from it.

Then God said, “Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it.


God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.

Thus, for an enlightened Jew/Christian, evolution is the active process by which earth brings forth life on God's command.

Giving command for something to born to existence doesn't mean it wasn't planned for.otherwise how such things make logic.

 

[FearGod]

No need, you just need an education on the many variations of the eye as they evolved from the simple light sensitive cells. A good science education helps.

Better to read how cameras were developed than wasting time on how the unconscious nature fashioned the complex eyes.