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Which evolved first, tendons or bones

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Tendons connect bones together in away that enable us to have flexible movements, the
way that bones are connected together is a sign of a design and not a blind evolution, if
you think that tendons and bones were a result of mutations and natural selections then
please explain how both evolved together to achieve such an amazing job.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
if you think that tendons and bones were a result of mutations and natural selections then
please explain how both evolved together to achieve such an amazing job.

Not necessary.

Do you feel a need to explain how a god did it? I'll bet not.

Let's return your question to you: If you think that tendons and bones were the result of divine creation, then please explain how a god exists in the first place, and how it acts on physical reality.

Are you familiar with the logical fallacy called argument from ignorance? It is basically any argument of the form that if A or B is true, and you can't demonstrate that A is true, then B is.

Are you familiar with the incredulity fallacy? It says basically that one just can't imagine how A could have happened - he just doesn't see it - therefore it didn't, and B must be the case instead.

How about the special pleading fallacy. It's the one where the arguer invokes a double standard with no apparent justification. The existence of tendons and bones seem too complex to arisen naturalistically, therefore there must be a god. When asked how something infinitely more complex like a god can exist undesigned and uncreated, the answer is that that's different and needs no answer - perhaps with the evasion that God always existed, which dodges the issue of how a god could exist at all.

Or that the naturalist needs to explain reality, but the supernaturalist doesn't. Why would that be the case? Why not both or neither? No reason is given. That's also special pleading.

Science is a work in progress. Scientists don't have all of the answers yet. If we could check back in a few centuries, when many of these questions will have been answered, we would probably still see religionists trying to promote their beliefs asking questions not yet answered then, still with no answers of their own, thinking that unanswered questions somehow point to gods.

They don't now, and they won't then.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Tendons connect bones together in away that enable us to have flexible movements, the
way that bones are connected together is a sign of a design and not a blind evolution, if
you think that tendons and bones were a result of mutations and natural selections then
please explain how both evolved together to achieve such an amazing job.
Same way a handful of cells divide, and make an amazing job at producing humans.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Is it the wisdom of the Quran that gave you the notion that they evolved independently?
Tom

Regardless, the question if a designer exists, i don't believe on chances making a meaningful job,
thinking both evolved together at the same moments to achieve such job is meaningless except
if you can explain how such thing can be achieved by random mutations and natural selection.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If you have the will do to something unique, your body will adapt itself in novel ways to create the ability for you to do that thing. Adaptability is the name of the game for evolution. It's only "random" in the sense that it tries things until it finds something that works.

If however you wish to suggest that all the bits and parts were designed ahead of time and just stuck into the body, the way you might stuff a sack with your necessities for a road trip, you're going to have some problems understanding why it's far from truly designed for the stuff we do, such as upright walking. It works, but not so well after time, with lower back problems, knees, joints, and so on and so forth.

Adaptation makes a whole lot more sense with what we actually have going on. It makes much more sense than someone supposedly designing it ahead of time, if that someone is God and doesn't make mistakes. Thanks for making everything land on that knee, buddy! Now, where's that ice pack, God? :)
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I didn't mention religion, do you understand it as a designed work or not?
If by "it" you mean human physiology, it's designed rather badly. The sort of thing one would expect from a complex system that is the result of natural selection without any thought behind it.
That's why our backs give us so much trouble, for instance. Our spines evolved to resemble a suspension bridge, but now that it's used like a tent pole it's troublesome. But that doesn't impact reproduction because back problems usually occur after reproduction age.
Tom
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
If by "it" you mean human physiology, it's designed rather badly. The sort of thing one would expect from a complex system that is the result of natural selection without any thought behind it.
That's why our backs give us so much trouble, for instance. Our spines evolved to resemble a suspension bridge, but now that it's used like a tent pole it's troublesome. But that doesn't impact reproduction because back problems usually occur after reproduction age.
Tom

If there will be no back pains on old ages then you may think of a designer, is that your point?
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
If there will be no back pains on old ages then you may think of a designer, is that your point?
No.
My point is that we humans aren't intelligently designed. We are the outcome of a few billion years of natural selection. Our design could easily be improved on, and as we become capable of genetic modifications we probably will do that.
Tom
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
No.
My point is that we humans aren't intelligently designed. We are the outcome of a few billion years of natural selection. Our design could easily be improved on, and as we become capable of genetic modifications we probably will do that.
Tom

Do you think humans are very simple and we can even create a better ones?
 

socharlie

Active Member
Tendons connect bones together in away that enable us to have flexible movements, the
way that bones are connected together is a sign of a design and not a blind evolution, if
you think that tendons and bones were a result of mutations and natural selections then
please explain how both evolved together to achieve such an amazing job.
Irreducible complexity
 
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