YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
And the sign said “The words of the prophetsFor the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence”
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And the sign said “The words of the prophetsFor the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall
And the sign said “The words of the prophets
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence”
Never heard of it. Perilously close to plagiarism though.My quote was from The Spirit of Radio by Rush.
Never heard of it. Perilously close to plagiarism though.
Good. Never liked Rush.... rather, liked the music, hated, nay detested, Geddy Lee's voice. Horrid...I don't think so. I just gave credit in the previous post.
Good. Never liked Rush.... rather, liked the music, hated, nay detested, Geddy Lee's voice. Horrid...
I'm wondering how people try to distinguish between "true" prophets and "false" prophets. If someone walks down the street claiming to be a prophet for a religion (admittedly unlikely) you have to figure out whether you can take them at their word or whether you just move on trying to avoid making eye contact with the crazy person.
Jesus and Muhammad pbut are two that come to mind, with both worshipping the God of Abraham pbuh.I can't even think of any person that fit the bill after the pre 1st Century.
Jesus and Muhammad pbut are two that come to mind, with both worshipping the God of Abraham pbuh.
Peace be upon them/him.What is "pbut" and "pbuh"?
Peace be upon them/him.
I can't speak for Christians or to the Anti-Christ metaphor, but my yardstick for a false teacher would be one not achieving gnosis for himself. If you have had a taste you'll usually recognize the others somewhat by what kind of things they say and pay attention to when speaking of experience.I thought of "false prophets" as religious leaders who, either deliberately or unintentionally, lead people away from religious truth by corrupting religious experience. It's more from the Christian view of the "Anti-Christ" or false Christ misleading the people. That might be a bit loose in terms of definitions but I think the meaning is still there.
Good points. I also think anyone forcing their views by gun or sword could not be a "true prophet".By the way, you straightaway thought I was talking only about Muslims. I was not. In the 20th century several such prophets with their fanatical followers have arisen... Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol pot, Kim Jong Un and also ISIS, Taliban. I was thinking of all the poor folks who were, are and will continue to be in their mercy.
What is "pbut" and "pbuh"?
I'm wondering how people try to distinguish between "true" prophets and "false" prophets. If someone walks down the street claiming to be a prophet for a religion (admittedly unlikely) you have to figure out whether you can take them at their word or whether you just move on trying to avoid making eye contact with the crazy person.
I think probably the best way to tell if someone were a false prophet is if they offer salvation. In reality, no-one can save us. There is no quick fix or easy solution to the problems of learning how to live our own lives. It is up to us to "save ourselves" by giving our lives meaning and purpose. The best we can get is to find spiritual and religious knowledge, be open to it and for someone to help us on our own journey. The higher level of consciousness associated with religious being is ultimately part of our own anatomy. It is part of our brain or mind (or soul if you wish). A false prophet can take away our ability to "see" and to "hear" from us by telling us to look for answers outside of ourselves in some external authority. The "true" prophet is someone who can help us regain our sight and hearing and learn to use our own conscience for the purpose of self-discover and self-creation.
Do you think this is a reasonable view? Or is there something missing?
Do you mean there are no prophets because there are no prophecies?
Jesus and Muhammad pbut are two that come to mind, with both worshipping the God of Abraham pbuh.
I'm going to cut you some slack and ask you to explain what a Prophet is and bring evidence from your Torah.Neither of those fit the bill as prophets.
It doesn't really matter because different groups have different criteria. Do you consider Baha'ullah to be a prophet?I'm going to cut you some slack and ask you to explain what a Prophet is and bring evidence from your Torah.
If you can't do that then, do you agree to the following definition of the word 'Prophet':
prophet
ˈprɒfɪt/
noun
Let's agree on common ground before examining each man and their claims.
- 1.
a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God.