I guess this is the current state of creationism

[Deeje]

Every statement you make about evolution here is false as has been unambiguously demonstrated countless times before. That you choose to deliberately ignore this makes no difference to this objective fact, as any reader who is reading your responses will know. But please continue to talk to yourself.

This is nothing more than the same old bluster.....tantrums don't answer questions. I am deliberately showing the readers here that your evidence is not "objective"....it is not "verifiable"....and it is not "empirical or measurable". You can jump up and down about it all you like, but you cannot convince anyone just by the "evidence".......for the simple fact that there is no real evidence.

 

[sayak83]

This is nothing more than the same old bluster.....tantrums don't answer questions. I am deliberately showing the readers here that your evidence is not "objective"....it is not "verifiable"....and it is not "empirical or measurable". You can jump up and down about it all you like, but you cannot convince anyone just by the "evidence".......for the simple fact that there is no real evidence.

Duh, you call what you write a "demonstration"? It's more like stream-of-consciousness railings against evolution, science and the state of the world in general. Probably it has a therapeutic effect on you, but is utterly useless for anybody else.

 

[Deeje]

Duh, you call what you write a "demonstration"? It's more like stream-of-consciousness railings against evolution, science and the state of the world in general. Probably it has a therapeutic effect on you, but is utterly useless for anybody else.

If you say so.....

 

[shunyadragon]

Here is a classic example of the arguments....."objective verifiable evidence"

What does "objective" mean in this context?

"(of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."

Who of any of the readers here believes that evolutionists are not influenced by personal feelings or opinions? That is the first thing we see....an emotional response....usually anger. How dare we question their educated guesswork! How dare we expose the fact that they have no facts!

The other term is "verifiable" which means "able to be checked or demonstrated to be true, accurate, or justified."

So I am waiting for verification on the whole theory. None has been forthcoming, despite the protests that they have been provided. Nothing remotely convincing has ever been provided. Just more of the same ambiguous guesswork about what "might have" happened.

What are "scientific methods"?

"To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry is commonly based on empirical or measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning."

What "empirical or measurable evidence" does science have for macro-evolution? What "reasoning" is used to verify their findings, other than the word of other biased scientists trying to support the same agenda?

What does it mean to "falsify" evolution?

"prove (a statement or theory) to be false." How on earth can you prove a theory is false, if you can't even prove that it is true?

What have you got apart from all the huffing and puffing? Not much......certainly not enough to even fulfill your own criteria.

What is lacking here is you do not have a basic education in science compounded by voluntary ignorance, and blind religious agenda to reject science, therefore all your huffing and puffing will not accomplish anything in terms of a dialogue.

 

[shunyadragon]

So since when does a person need a "reasonable academic background in science" to talk about science from those who are obviously biased that give degrees for "reasonable academic background in science"?

I don't feel that biased institutions should be able to tell me what a "reasonable academic background in science" means.

This is obvious when you chose to remain in the depths of Plato's Cave.

 

[shunyadragon]

If you say so.....

Interesting change of heart. Glade you agree!!

 

[leibowde84]

Let's just say that evolution is the basis for racism.

And, Christianity is the basis for anti-semitism. What's your point?

 

[Jose Fly]

article 8

This is the link you gave that I was responding to. As just said in my reply to Jonathon.... and now, since you were adamant regarding the reading of your own source... perhaps you can show me where it mentions Anagenesis and Cladogenesis, along with the statistical findings? It was never even in your source to begin with.

Honest mistake and accusations or dishonest additions mining quotes from other sources to which I was never responding to poke at me? I'm not going to assume, I'll allow you to enlighten.

Earlier I asked you to explain your first response to that article and what I saw as quote mining on your part. You failed to respond.

Again: To be clear, your position is that THIS ARTICLE only describes evolution within a single species, and that the quote you pulled from the article is an accurate depiction of that?

 

[shunyadragon]

And, Christianity is the basis for anti-semitism. What's your point?

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Let's just say that evolution is the basis for racism.

I missed this!!!!

Let's just say?!?!??! Please explain yourself. This is a gross 'racist' misrepresentation of the science of evolution. leibowe84 is justified in making the point that scripture and the history of Christianity is the basis for anti-semitism far more than the science of evolution could remotely be considered the basis of racism.

 

[Jose Fly]

The usual. Most all of them believe in abiogenesis, macro-evolution and billions of years just like you.

?????? You think only atheists believe in those things? Where in the world did you get that idea?

 

[leibowde84]

I missed this!!!!

Let's just say?!?!??! Please explain yourself. This is a gross 'racist' misrepresentation of the science of evolution. leibowe84 is justified in making the point that scripture and the history of Christianity is the basis for anti-semitism far more than the science of evolution could remotely be considered the basis of racism.

I was just trying to point out the absurdity of his statement.

 

[DavidFirth]

?????? You think only atheists believe in those things? Where in the world did you get that idea?

Again you're assuming. I never said that. A reason why I don't like to chat with you is because you usually do assume I said something and meant something other than what I said. Try paying attention, read what's written and stop trying to read into it.

 

[DavidFirth]

This is obvious when you chose to remain in the depths of Plato's Cave.

You assume you know me. I assure you I sit in no cave. I have been around the world and heard many people who base their beliefs on similar assumptions as you do, who think they are intelligent enough to determine truth from non-truth. No amount of institutional learning is going to help you out with that.

 

[Kenny]

And, Christianity is the basis for anti-semitism. What's your point?

hardly.

As far as my point... it has already been dealt with

 

[Deeje]

Interesting change of heart. Glade you agree!!

You're funny.

Sometimes you just have to let people believe whatever they wish......it doesn't alter the outcome in any way.

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= a little knowledge + man's ideas + a bad attitude = no reason for our existence and no real hope for the future.

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= knowledge of the Creator + faith in his word + love in our hearts for him = a hope for the future and a purpose for our existence.

It all depends on whose writing you are reading. Who is your God?

 

[shunyadragon]

I was just trying to point out the absurdity of his statement.

I was seriously questioning the absurdity of his statement, and agreeing with you.

 

[shunyadragon]

hardly.

As far as my point... it has already been dealt with

Needs explanation for such an absurd post.

 

[shunyadragon]

You assume you know me. I assure you I sit in no cave. I have been around the world and heard many people who base their beliefs on similar assumptions as you do, who think they are intelligent enough to determine truth from non-truth. No amount of institutional learning is going to help you out with that.

No help!

 

[Jose Fly]

Again you're assuming. I never said that.

Then you're not making any sense at all. You claimed I sounded like an atheist merely because of my positions on abiogenesis, evolution, and the age of the universe. But when I point out that those positions are not at all limited to atheists, you complain about me assuming.

 

[DavidFirth]

Then you're not making any sense at all. You claimed I sounded like an atheist merely because of my positions on abiogenesis, evolution, and the age of the universe. But when I point out that those positions are not at all limited to atheists, you complain about me assuming.

Now you're going around in circles to justify yourself rather than staying on point.