leibowde84
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Nope ... Christianity played the largest role in modern anti-semitism with their "Jews killed Jesus" propaganda.hardly.
As far as my point... it has already been dealt with
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Nope ... Christianity played the largest role in modern anti-semitism with their "Jews killed Jesus" propaganda.hardly.
As far as my point... it has already been dealt with
You haven't shown any such thing.This is nothing more than the same old bluster.....tantrums don't answer questions. I am deliberately showing the readers here that your evidence is not "objective"....it is not "verifiable"....and it is not "empirical or measurable". You can jump up and down about it all you like, but you cannot convince anyone just by the "evidence".......for the simple fact that there is no real evidence.
I'm 50 years old, which means I've seen how creationism has evolved (HAH) over the last several decades. I can remember elementary school in the 1970's where teaching Christianity and the Bible in a public school was just assumed and there was little if any controversy. I remember in 4th grade us doing a skit about a newspaper reporter doing interviews right before Noah's flood. I remember in middle school and high school us not covering evolution in science classes because (according to the teachers) it was "too controversial" and some of them specifically saying that since it contradicted the Bible, it was necessarily wrong. I even remember in high school a couple of mandatory assemblies where "scientific creationists" would give presentations on young-earth creationism and how "true science" supported it.
As I was finishing up college the ID creationism movement was just beginning and by the time I started working it was getting a fair bit of interest from the media. Of course ID creationism died a quick death in the Dover, PA trial in 2005.
So over my lifetime, I've seen creationism go from overtly teaching "this is what the Bible says so it's true", to "the accounts in the Bible are scientifically supported", to "teach the controversy", to "complexity = a designer", to it's current state.
And what is its current state? Judging by the consistent theme I see from creationists in this and other forums, it seems to have been reduced to the rather simplistic argument of "challenge evolutionists to prove their claims to a 100% degree of certainty, and when they don't do that declare it to be a faith, no different than any other belief system".
That appears to be it. I've honestly not seen much of anything else from creationists in quite a while. I think we science advocates should take this as a positive development. This really is all they have left, which means the current declining trend is very likely to continue.
Why on earth would god need blood sacrifices?Who said it is cruel to kill animals? People kill animals and poultry for food by the thousands every day. As long as it is done humanely, no one is complaining except perhaps the vegans among us. God authorized the killing of animals for only two reasons....food and sacrifice.
But you still think creation of man is about 6000 years ago? Beginning with Adam and Eve?I am 67 yrs old, and back when I was much younger and raised in a Christian home and went to church every Sunday.
As I was taught by the Christian Church, that the earth is 6000 yrs old.
Then when started school in the 8th grade,
My science teacher brought up about the dinosaurs bones and how they were Millions if not Billions of years old.
As I sat there listening to him and the others disputing with each other over the age of the Dinosaurs bones.
This was very first time I ever heard about dinosaurs.
But I started to question to myself, As to how can something that is to be a Millions to billions of years old fit into the earth which is to be 6000 years old.
Over the years every once in a while I would think about this and when I would ask other Christians about this, they would say, Hey it's just a trick or the Dinosaurs bones just happened.
Which I could not accept either answer.
When I was around 15 or 16 I started to study the Bible and then when I was about 45 years old, I found within the pages of the bible.
To where the earth is not 6000 yrs old, But Millions of years old, That there were an earth age way before this earth age came to be they we live in now.
And this earth age of a Millions of years ago, Is where the dinosaurs bones came from.
You see everyone including scientist are under this thing of the earth as being only 6000 years old. So the scientist set out to try and disprove that the earth is more than 6000 years old.
But not realizing nor understand what the Bible actually does say about how old the earth is exactly.
Supports the scientist claim that the earth is Millions of years old.
And refutes Christians claim the earth as being only 6000 years old.
Within the bible, it speaks about a world that then was and what happened and what caused that world that then was to Perished.
What people don't come to realize is that, there were two floods of water that came upon the earth.
The first flood of water to come upon the earth, was way before this world came to be. Which takes us back a Million years ago.
The Bible speaks about this flood of water.
This flood of water happened Millions of years before the flood of Noah's.
Because blood is the symbol for life. It was necessary in the carriage of justice for blood (life) to be offered to atone for a life lost. That life was a man who took the entire human race down into death with him. To balance the scales of justice, an equivalent life was offered....the life of Jesus Christ.Why on earth would god need blood sacrifices?
If god is an ineffable spirit, doesn’t need to eat and drink, then the blood sacrifices are just senseless acts of barbarism, based on nothing more than superstitions.
You would think that if the god of your bible was superior over deities of other religions, then it would not have same superstitious customs as their neighbours, eg the Egyptians, the Canaanites, Babylonians, etc.
The absurdity is that god required some sorts of sacrifices to show devotion, loyalty or obedience, hardly seem to make your god any more superior than Ra, Enlil, Zeus, when it is doing the same gig as every other religions before Judaism and Christianity.
FYIFrom the perspective of one not acquainted with the ways of the God of the Bible, it will never make sense.
The same can be said about you with science. You have no expertise in biology or science in general, and yet you expect us to take you seriously.Armchair critics are a dime a dozen.
But you still think creation of man is about 6000 years ago? Beginning with Adam and Eve?
Current estimation is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years old.That is where your wrong the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old.
Billions (about 4.54 billion).Adam and Eve haved started some 6000 years ago, But the earth it's self is alot older. More like Millions of years ago.
Gnostic never said any such thing. He asked you two questions. There is a difference.Maybe you need to find out where people stand on things, before you say how people may think about things.
Current estimation is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years old.
Billions (about 4.54 billion).
Gnostic never said any such thing. He asked you two questions. There is a difference.
"But you still think creation of man is about 6000 years ago? Beginning with Adam and Eve?"
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FYI
I was believer in the bible for nearly 20 years, but didn't convert.
Four of those years, earlier years, I was actively seeking to join a church, before my 15 year hiatus of not touching the bible.
Two factors, made me go on this hiatus, my argument with the pastor, whose church I was about to join, and my studies, and later my job, took higher priority than the church.
Even though those 15 years, I was still a believer.
The irony is that I only became agnostic because I picked up the bible again. And instead of renewing my belief, it may me doubt the veracity of the bible.
Again, for FYI, it had nothing to do with evolution or science. It had nothing to do with Genesis Creation and Flood. They did later, but not back then (in 2000).
Me becoming agnostic was due to the inconsistencies I see in the bible, especially the so-called prophecies of Jesus that he was meant to fulfill: the liberal interpretations in Isaiah and Jeremiah. The inconsistencies that I didn't see when I was younger.
I know very well about Jesus' supposedly sacrifice to save mankind. I needs no preaching from you about Jesus' promise of resurrection for believers.
The same can be said about you with science. You have no expertise in biology or science in general, and yet you expect us to take you seriously.
Please re-read my question.That is where your wrong the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old.
Adam and Eve haved started some 6000 years ago, But the earth it's self is alot older. More like Millions of years ago.
Maybe you need to find out where people stand on things, before you say how people may think about things.
But you still think creation of man is about 6000 years ago?
And I was simply helping you out. Not to say you are wrong or criticize, which I didn't, but to bring you up to date.You still don't get it Right.
I never said that the earth is 6000 years old.
I said the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old.
The earth was already here, long before Adam and Eve came.
Even the Dinosaurs bones proves this and many other things the paleontologist scientist and the archaeologist scientist have found proves the earth as being Millions if not Billions of years old.
And again you seem unable to comprehend what is said. I never accused you of anything. The only things I did was to inform you and correct your impression of gnostic's questions.Maybe you need to ask a person what they think about how old the earth actually really is. Before you make accusations that a person did not say.
All churches have their pros and cons, and all have hypocrisy.Perhaps that was your main problem.....I was a member of the Anglican Church for the first twenty odd years of my life, raised to believe everything they taught from Sunday School onward.
I saw so much hypocrisy and blatant disobedience to Christ's commands that I couldn't take it anymore, so I left to explore other options, which included going to other denominations to see if I could find any who were actually doing what Christ commanded. None of them were. They were all just different versions of the same thing. I felt as if God was missing from all of them and I could not find him in any of the 'obvious' places.
Will you calm down?You still don't get it Right.
I never said that the earth is 6000 years old.
I said the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old.
The earth was already here, long before Adam and Eve came.
Please re-read my question.
I asked you was the “creation of man”, 6000 years ago, not creation of the Earth.
Do you see?
And I was simply helping you out. Not to say you are wrong or criticize, which I didn't, but to bring you up to date.
And again you seem unable to comprehend what is said. I never accused you of anything. The only things I did was to inform you and correct your impression of gnostic's questions.
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Will you calm down?
All skwim was doing is to inform you, you have misread my questions.
I was asking about creation of Adam, not of the Earth.
All churches have their pros and cons, and all have hypocrisy.
I don’t know much about JW
but if the members are anything like you, then hypocrisy and arrogance would seem to be JW’s mission goal.
Ok. Thank you.Yes, I see, I thought you were referring that I said, the earth as being 6000 years old.
But it's not, More like Millions if not Billions of years old.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention