How Many of You Want a "LGBTI and Allies Only" Subforum?

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The idea seems like it be unfair to heterosexual people who do not have their own subforum, for obvious reasons, reasons that should apply to everyone else as well.

Us straights really don't need our own DIR. We have the sexuality area and the Eros Room - not because it's for straight people alone, but because there's no instances of straight people being bashed for being straight; no instances of our sexuality being mocked, derided as unnatural or called out because other people find it inherently gross.

I find the term LGBT ridiculous because it implies that I must have so much more in common with people who are not heterosexual, than those who are.

By and large, the fact that LGBTs are not heterosexual is usually the biggest factor behind a) denying them equal rights & legal protections (which is what most LGBT movements are actually about, first and foremost) and; b) the silly stereotypes and false accusations that come with being minority groups who are misunderstood by the majority of people.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Here's an example for why a sub forum for LGBTI's is beneficial to RF...

OP: "Did DADT help or hurt the movement for equality in the military?"

Hater: "Gays shouldn't even be in the military. Think of how uncomfortable it would make us straight people knowing you're showing with a person who wants to jump your bones."

Ally: "that's not the point. The question was whether or not the legislation hurt or helped equality in the military."

Hater: "Well all I know is gays are confused, sick, and need our prayers. They shouldn't be allowed into our military because we need real men to defend our country."

LGBTI member: "please stop derailing the debate. This isn't about you. This is about whether or not DADT helped or hurt the movement toward equality in the military."

Hater: "Oh SEE? Can't take a dissenting opinion can you? You all are supposed to be tolerant but you can't handle logic or debate. It's no wonder why everybody hates you. You just want straight people to be marginalized from your 'safe space'."

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And there you have it folks. ZERO education going on. And seeing a discussion devolve into throwing excrement at LGBTIs and having to counter their excrement. What a waste of time and bandwidth, to be honest, but they have the freedom to be a furry hater semi-troll.

I tend to refer to the various forms of the Derailment Bingo Card when this **** happens.

But personally, pulling out the bingo card in every single discussion in the open forums gets tiring. Haters gonna hate. Let them. I just want to be able to chat with others on LGBTI actual issues instead of being baited into yet another discussion of educating a straight person that inequality exists and it sucks ***.

 

[Aštra’el]

Heterosexual people also don't have to worry about people barging in and condemning them for being heterosexual. In the case of transsexuals, it would make it easier to educate those with questions without outsiders who make it obvious they haven't studied the subject going on about whatever (often about how gender norms pressure people to transition and having no regards or awareness of the required time and therapy to be able to transition).

Back in the day, they didn't even distinguish between any of these groups, and it was those who weren't heterosexual as well as those who weren't cisgender working together that jump-started the battle for rights and equality for what would later become known as the LBGT community (everyone was just "queer" back then). That's why the two are linked in the way that they are.

Battle for rights and equality? No offense but that is not my fight. I may be bi but I see no connection between myself and any "LGBT community" or "LGBT movement".

Look, I understand that you are a transgender person, and that's cool, but it doesn't mean that you should get your own "LGBT community" subforum on a site about religion and spirituality. Perhaps Religious Forums should focus more on religion instead.

 

[Revoltingest]

Battle for rights and equality? No offense but that is not my fight. I see no connection between myself and any "LGBT community" or "LGBT movement".

Look, I understand that you are a transgender person, and that's cool, but it doesn't mean that you should get your own "LGBT community" subforum on a site about religion and spirituality. Perhaps Religious Forums should focus more on religion instead.

While "Religious Forums" is the name, this singular focus seems a mere vestige of its inception.
The reality is that a great many of us are here for more than that, eg, politics, humor,
friendship, trolling, philosophy, science, & many wonderful miscellaneous things.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Battle for rights and equality? No offense but that is not my fight. I may be bi but I see no connection between myself and any "LGBT community" or "LGBT movement".

If that is how you feel. But, like it or not, there is an ongoing struggle for the rights and equalities of the LBGT community, a struggle that was kick-off by people who are non-heterosexual and/or non-cisgendered taking a stand and pushing back. You don't have to identify or associate with this community or movement, but it's happening, and working together is how these groups became linked, despite the fact sexual orientation and gender identity are separate issues.

Look, I understand that you are a transgender person, and that's cool, but it doesn't mean that you should get your own "LGBT community"

I never claimed it would be "mine."

Perhaps Religious Forums should focus more on religion instead.

Sexual orientation and gender identity are major issues concerning many religions. And there has pretty much always been a focus that includes and goes beyond religion.

 

[Skwim]

Not wanting to read through 100+ posts here to see if my question has already been asked and answered, I'm just going to go ahead and ask it.

What, exactly, is the meaning of "Allies" in

"How Many of You Want a "LGBTI and Allies Only" Subforum?" ​

What does it take to be an LGBTI ally? And if the forum is going to be a DIR, how does an ally (friend?) register?


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[Aštra’el]

And if the forum is going to be a DIR, how does an ally (friend?) register?

DIR = Discuss Individual Religions

 

[Skwim]

DIR = Discuss Individual Religions

Okay.

Are you under the impression that atheism, agnosticism, and humanism are religions?


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[McBell]

Okay.

Are you under the impression that atheism, agnosticism, and humanism are religions?


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For legality reasons, they are.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Us straights really don't need our own DIR. We have the sexuality area and the Eros Room - not because it's for straight people alone, but because there's no instances of straight people being bashed for being straight; no instances of our sexuality being mocked, derided as unnatural or called out because other people find it inherently gross.

Just saying I have heard that before.

I have seen it happen in front of my face.

It is certainly not as common, but in any case you should not need to have widespread persecution to get your own section.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Again this coming from a Pansexual Androgynous Intersex person.

If LGBTQI gets a section heterosexuals get one to.

This would be the equivalent of giving everyone but Christianity a DIR.

 

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What purpose does this serve?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

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What purpose does this serve?

Wrong thread, lol!

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Again this coming from a Pansexual Androgynous Intersex person.

If LGBTQI gets a section heterosexuals get one to.

This would be the equivalent of giving everyone but Christianity a DIR.

That's fine. But then what will straight people talk about that is Hetero-prioritized? How difficult it is being straight in the world?

Watch what anti-feminists talk about when they ***** about how it's actually more difficult being a man in this world than being a woman. And how women really have no room to complain about anything.

Straight people who don't think queers like us should have actual equality will do the exact same thing. And the reason is that that's the only issues they'll have: issues with us.

But okie dokie. If they say it really is SO DIFFICULT to live openly as a heterosexual on this planet because WE have the audacity to live openly and feel deserving of equal treatment as they, then they can lay it all out for the world to see, point, and laugh at.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

That's fine. But then what will straight people talk about that is Hetero-prioritized? How difficult it is being straight in the world?

Watch what anti-feminists talk about when they ***** about how it's actually more difficult being a man in this world than being a woman. And how women really have no room to complain about anything.

Straight people who don't think queers like us should have actual equality will do the exact same thing. And the reason is that that's the only issues they'll have: issues with us.

But okie dokie. If they say it really is SO DIFFICULT to live openly as a heterosexual on this planet because WE have the audacity to live openly and feel deserving of equal treatment as they, then they can lay it all out for the world to see, point, and laugh at.

Im just trying to do something in the interest of fairness.

However I feel that YOU are being discriminatory by saying that all straight people have to talk about is how they disagree with LGBTQI.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Im just trying to do something in the interest of fairness.

However I feel that YOU are being discriminatory by saying that all straight people have to talk about is how they disagree with LGBTQI.

Oh goodie. One of these conversations...

Look, straight people really don't need you to come to their defense. My suggesting that heterosexual people who demand their own forum simply because we can have our own discussion forum free of derailment have completely missed the point of what a LGBTQI forum would provide.

Feel free to cite an example of, say, straight folks being derailed or have been told their sexuality is an abomination while just wanting to talk about something simple like common law marriage. Because that would be similar in circumstance that would justify straight folks benefitting from their own DIR forum. There's your equality.

I'll wait.

 

[McBell]

Im just trying to do something in the interest of fairness.

However I feel that YOU are being discriminatory by saying that all straight people have to talk about is how they disagree with LGBTQI.

Seems to me you are doing a most excellent job demonstrating why they should get their own sub-forum.

Was that your plan from get go?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Im just trying to do something in the interest of fairness.

However I feel that YOU are being discriminatory by saying that all straight people have to talk about is how they disagree with LGBTQI.

How many social difficulties do heterosexual people face just for being heterosexual? How often are heterosexual people called hell-bound sinners just for being heterosexual? How many rights and privileges have heterosexuals been denied because people dislike and hate them just for being heterosexual?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Oh goodie. One of these conversations...

Look, straight people really don't need you to come to their defense. My suggesting that heterosexual people who demand their own forum simply because we can have our own discussion forum free of derailment have completely missed the point of what a LGBTQI forum would provide.

Feel free to cite an example of, say, straight folks being derailed or have been told their sexuality is an abomination while just wanting to talk about something simple like common law marriage. Because that would be similar in circumstance that would justify straight folks benefitting from their own DIR forum. There's your equality.

I'll wait.

Then I guess LGBTQI people do not need straight people coming to our defense.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

How many social difficulties do heterosexual people face just for being heterosexual? How often are heterosexual people called hell-bound sinners just for being heterosexual? How many rights and privileges have heterosexuals been denied because people dislike and hate them just for being heterosexual?

I love how you ignored the rest of my post and thought I would forget about it, implying you think I am an idiot.

They can be ridiculed for making LGBTQI jokes.

Heterosexual Caucasian men in particular are often hated and treated like crap by third-wave feminist and SJWs.

They are often assumed to be uninformed of how LGBTQI issues work.

They are sometimes not allowed into some LGBTQI groups' events.

But apart from that:

I do not think that persecution is a prerequisite for needing a sub-forum about it.