Obama would make talking about guns a CRIME.

[Revoltingest]

You misspelled "done". Therefore all previous points and all future points are hereby rendered moot.

Yeah, do not look to me for propor spelll'n.
Me grammar too bad is.

 

[Skwim]

That's actually pretty alarming....oh, wait, the source is Alex Jones.

Quite right. If you want an honestly biased, bigoted and completely useless opinion go to Alex.

"Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his controversial statements about gun control in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. He has accused the US government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks and the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology. He believes that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria".
Source: Wikipedia​

 

[psychoslice]

Fire arm related deaths per 100,000 people

US - 10.30
UK - 0.25

40 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the US, I wonder why that is and who's got it right?

They just love their guns, they always have, and they wonder why their in that situation.

 

[Skwim]

 

[psychoslice]

I remember when I was in hospital recovering from a gunshot wound, after being shot along the highway by a gunman, an American guy came to visit his friend that was next to my bed, he couldn't believe that it happen to me in Australia, and that was back in 1980.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

According to some NRA types, Japan should be loaded with violence and gun violence, because there aren't any "good guys with a gun" to stop "bad guys with a gun."
By making guns extremely difficult to get and illegal for damn near everyone to possess, they seem to be doing quite well for themselves.
Unfortunately it will take America at least several decades to make any significant progress with getting illegal guns off the street and making it so the "bad guys" don't have them because we have made it far too easy to get a gun, even legally.

 

[Revoltingest]

Those are some interesting claims.....
- "Guns" murdered people. I wonder if any of those guns were convicted?
- The murder rate chart conveniently leaves out many many countries....typical Washington Post (who published this) approach.
Other charts look quite different....
Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

 

[Father Heathen]

Fire arm related deaths per 100,000 people

US - 10.30
UK - 0.25

40 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the US, I wonder why that is and who's got it right?

Freedom comes with risks, but it's worth the trade-off. I find it cowardly to be willing to surrender freedoms as quick fix rather than addressing the real roots and causes of crime and violence, such as the economic, sociological, and psycholical issues.
As far as "who's got it right", that should be measured in rights and liberty, not by how tight your leash is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Freedom comes with risks, but it's worth the trade-off. I find it cowardly to be willing to surrender freedoms as quick fix rather than addressing the real roots and causes of crime and violence, such as the economic, sociological, and psycholical issues.
As far as "who's got it right", that should be measured in rights and liberty, not by how tight your leash is.

The gun show loophole is not getting it right. Overly relaxed gun laws are not doing it right. Any time there is a situation that makes it possible for a violent offender to legally own a gun, especially if that offender is guilty of murder, is not doing things right.
Today we're more "wild" than the "wild west." Back then many places did not allow people to carry guns, travel advisors stated it was a bad idea to carry your gun in the city, but today our gun laws have generally been relaxed and still people are claiming that the second amendment is being infringed upon in a severe and grave way.
We need gun control, we need to greatly restrict who can and can't own a gun, and we need to work to getting more of them off the streets, not putting more of them on the streets.

 

[Skwim]

Those are some interesting claims.....
- "Guns" murdered people. I wonder if any of those guns were convicted?

Ah, spoken like a true pedant.

- The murder rate chart conveniently leaves out many many countries....typical Washington Post (who published this) approach.
Other charts look quite different....

Of course they do. So what?

 

[Revoltingest]

Ah, spoken like a true pedant.

You noticed!
I often identify as a pedant.

Of course they do. So what?

The chart is artfully constructed to spin an inaccurate picture.
Countries which contraindicated US supremacy in wrongful shootings were excluded, eg, Brazil.
I thought I was quite clear about that.

 

[Altfish]

Freedom comes with risks, but it's worth the trade-off. I find it cowardly to be willing to surrender freedoms as quick fix rather than addressing the real roots and causes of crime and violence, such as the economic, sociological, and psycholical issues.
As far as "who's got it right", that should be measured in rights and liberty, not by how tight your leash is.

Brilliant, the right to bear arms is a freedom.
What about the freedom to go about life without fear of being shot? So we Brits are cowards???? Priceless.
There is very few people in the UK who argue for the right to bear arms, no one is complaining about the loss of freedom; we look at the USA and think, "No thank you"

 

[Twilight Hue]

Those are some interesting claims.....
- "Guns" murdered people. I wonder if any of those guns were convicted?
- The murder rate chart conveniently leaves out many many countries....typical Washington Post (who published this) approach.
Other charts look quite different....
Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

Yep.

Since we are being compared to countries that have more gun control measures in place , I henceforth will demand statistics of the alternate.

Namely,

Murder rates by knives and melee instruments in developed countries.

And make it per capita.

 

[Twilight Hue]

History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

Eat crow. And yes China is included.

Snippet:

China is not unique in its problem with knives, however. In Japan, in 2001 a janitor wielding a kitchen knife killed eight children at an Osaka school where he worked, while a man in Tokyo went on a random stabbing spree with a dagger in 2008, killing four people. In South Korea, a disgruntled man killed eight people in a stabbing spree at his apartment complex in 2008. In Germany, a drunk 16-year-old stabbed 41 people at the opening ceremony of a Berlin train station. And last year, anti-knife campaigns ramped up in the U.K after a 13-year-old girl was stabbed to death.

All of these countries have tight gun control laws, and rates of violent crime involving knives reflect that. According to the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime, firearms account for 76 percent of homicide weapons in the Americas (30 countries), while knives make up just 10 percent of those crimes. In Europe (32 countries), on the other hand, guns are involved in 36 percent of murders and knives are involved in 43 percent. Here's the U.N.:

 

[metis]

Here in the States, we have almost one gun for every man, woman, and child, any yet we have a homicide rate that's atrocious. According to the NRA's numerous statements, we should be one of the safest countries in the world since we have guns everywhere. Except we ain't.

So, to make the point, come to the city of Detroit and just walk around a bit, whereas the DPD estimates that there are roughly three guns per household, and then tell us how safe you are. Oh yes, you can carry your gun with you, and you can be rest-assured that this will keep you quite safe, right?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In Japan, in 2001 a janitor wielding a kitchen knife killed eight children at an Osaka school where he worked, while a man in Tokyo went on a random stabbing spree with a dagger in 2008, killing four people.
The murder rate in Japan is very low. It may have happened, but it is rare.
All of these countries have tight gun control laws, and rates of violent crime involving knives reflect that. According to the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime, firearms account for 76 percent of homicide weapons in the Americas (30 countries), while knives make up just 10 percent of those crimes. In Europe (32 countries), on the other hand, guns are involved in 36 percent of murders and knives are involved in 43 percent.
So, in Europe, where there are strict laws about guns, the number of knife attacks are up, but that percentage combined with guns is barely higher than the number of guns used in America.
And why wouldn't you expect to see a higher knife rate?
And, like it or not, guns make it easier to kill than knives. The accidental death rate involving knives I am sure is much lower than that of guns.
It was way too easy to get a gun in America, and a part of that reason is because people say "well, knife attacks will just go up." True, it's to be expected, but knives aren't guns. And anytime you mention any thing about gun control, even the most sanest and reasonable measures are met with vicious opposition from groups like the NRA and overly enthusiastic 2nd amendment individuals who refuse to see we need less guns, not more. But while some are insisting we need more guns, there are obviously way too many irresponsible gun owners, too many loopholes that make it too easy to get a gun, and too many people who obviously shouldn't own guns but are allowed to anyways.

 

[Marisa]

Quite right. If you want an honestly biased, bigoted and completely useless opinion go to Alex.

"Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his controversial statements about gun control in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. He has accused the US government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks and the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology. He believes that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria".
Source: Wikipedia​

Alex Jones in action:

 

[metis]

In Japan, in 2001 a janitor wielding a kitchen knife killed eight children at an Osaka school where he worked, while a man in Tokyo went on a random stabbing spree with a dagger in 2008, killing four people.
The murder rate in Japan is very low. It may have happened, but it is rare.
All of these countries have tight gun control laws, and rates of violent crime involving knives reflect that. According to the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime, firearms account for 76 percent of homicide weapons in the Americas (30 countries), while knives make up just 10 percent of those crimes. In Europe (32 countries), on the other hand, guns are involved in 36 percent of murders and knives are involved in 43 percent.
So, in Europe, where there are strict laws about guns, the number of knife attacks are up, but that percentage combined with guns is barely higher than the number of guns used in America.
And why wouldn't you expect to see a higher knife rate?
And, like it or not, guns make it easier to kill than knives. The accidental death rate involving knives I am sure is much lower than that of guns.
It was way too easy to get a gun in America, and a part of that reason is because people say "well, knife attacks will just go up." True, it's to be expected, but knives aren't guns. And anytime you mention any thing about gun control, even the most sanest and reasonable measures are met with vicious opposition from groups like the NRA and overly enthusiastic 2nd amendment individuals who refuse to see we need less guns, not more. But while some are insisting we need more guns, there are obviously way too many irresponsible gun owners, too many loopholes that make it too easy to get a gun, and too many people who obviously shouldn't own guns but are allowed to anyways.

One of my neighbors, who was a police officer, was stabbed a total of 18 times during his career and live to tell about it. Needless to say, I doubt he would have survived if he was shot 18 times. In China a couple of years ago, a madman went on a rampage and stabbed 22 children, and all of them survived. Compare that to what happened in Sandy Hook.

 

[Father Heathen]

The gun show loophole is not getting it right. Overly relaxed gun laws are not doing it right. Any time there is a situation that makes it possible for a violent offender to legally own a gun, especially if that offender is guilty of murder, is not doing things right.
Today we're more "wild" than the "wild west." Back then many places did not allow people to carry guns, travel advisors stated it was a bad idea to carry your gun in the city, but today our gun laws have generally been relaxed and still people are claiming that the second amendment is being infringed upon in a severe and grave way.
We need gun control, we need to greatly restrict who can and can't own a gun, and we need to work to getting more of them off the streets, not putting more of them on the streets.

Flawed regulatory laws, or failure to enforce regulatory laws is indeed an issue. Of course things aren't perfect, and of course some areas need to be improved upon, but to simply give up rights and freedoms isn't a fix, because you're selling out more than just access to and ownership of firearms for private citizens.

 

[Nakosis]

You noticed!
I often identify as a pedant.

The chart is artfully constructed to spin an inaccurate picture.
Countries which contraindicated US supremacy in wrongful shootings were excluded, eg, Brazil.
I thought I was quite clear about that.

Wells...

If Britain had been a little quicker in banning private ownership of Guns the US would still probably be a domain of England. Don't know if that'd be a good thing or bad. Depends on how much you trust the politicians to run things I suppose.

I'd expect there be more deaths in the US since just about everyone owns one here. 4.7 homicides per 100,000. Whereas Venezuela the homicide rate is 53.7. Venezuela has banned the private ownership of guns, they say it hasn't helped them much. Considering how many privately own guns there are in the US it's not going to be hard for criminals to get them. Or just bring them in from Mexico, that'll be profitable for someone.

Probably means that you won't be able to own a gun anymore so other folks can feel safe, but really won't stop criminals from access. You'll just have to be treated same as a criminal so other folks can feel safe.

I actually feel pretty safe in the US, vs going to other countries. Going to Venezuela, yeah I think I'd feel pretty vulnerable walking the streets there.

I don't, but wouldn't mind owning a gun. I have shot guns before. 9 or 10 I had an uncle take me out to practice shooting a pistol. ROTC we shot .22s. Got a marksmanship medal. Even went out shooting clay targets for sport. Never liked it when they'd go out shooting bears, pigs and dear though.

If they banned guns, there maybe a few less accidental deaths. I guess if you've grown up around guns, then your probably not afraid of them. If you haven't or been/known a victim you probably are.

Cops will still have them right? Maybe if they took guns away from the police I'd feel a little safer. Truth is, I'm more worried about being shot by a cop than my neighbor.