Obama would make talking about guns a CRIME.

[Altfish]

By the way, John Lott can hardly be termed an independent opinion on gun use. He is a strong gun use advocate so is hardly likely to produce a report saying guns are bad!

 

[Revoltingest]

Is it really more violent? And which comes first the violence or the guns? If the person attacking you doesn't have a gun you don't need a gun to defend yourself. It is all the collateral damage too, that 3-year old kid is just one example. It appears to us in the UK that being black is a legitimate reason to shoot someone in the US.
Take the guns out of the equation would the country be so violent?

We lack the option to take guns away from everyone.
The criminal element would be the least likely to turn theirs in.
So one's attacker isn't made significantly less likely to be armed with increased gun control.
Besides, some people (eg, tiny womenfolk) need an equalizer when attacked by larger men.

So, are you saying that if we legalised guns in the UK and people carried them to defend themselves our death rate from guns would drop further???

I can't speak for the Limeys, who have a different culture & government.

I accept there will always be guns, there are guns in the UK, but it is very rare that they are used and it is headline news every time it happens.
Even licensing of gun holders would be a start.

We handgun carriers are licensed in nearly all states.

 

[Revoltingest]

By the way, John Lott can hardly be termed an independent opinion on gun use. He is a strong gun use advocate so is hardly likely to produce a report saying guns are bad!

This is why I presented the Wikipedia article, rather than just the works of Lott or Kleck.
But the opposing side has their own ax to grind too.

 

[Altfish]

But the opposing side has their own ax to grind too.

Of course they do, but a comparison of number of gun deaths per 100000 people is a fact, not an opinion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course they do, but a comparison of number of gun deaths per 100000 people is a fact, not an opinion.

A fact in isolation does not an argument make.

 

[Marisa]

I have a sense of humor.
(You might be a wee bit new to spot it.
The "Brit" comment was for @oldbadger ....one of those emasculated Limeys.)

It's hard to take seriously anyone who doesn't take themselves too seriously. It doesn't bother me that you and I differ politically, you make me laugh and I think that's a fabulous trait.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's hard to take seriously anyone who doesn't take themselves too seriously. It doesn't bother me that you and I differ politically, you make me laugh and I think that's a fabulous trait.

Tis better that you laugh at me than with me.

 

[Marisa]

Every now & then, the paranoid are correct.

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me? ROFLOL

 

[Revoltingest]

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me? ROFLOL

I do know some people who are genuine paranoids.
A couple even think I'm out to get them.
Today, a friend coming over to help work is convinced that men in black have been following him for decades.
(He once had a concealed carry permit. He lost it, & won't discuss it. I'm glad he doesn't have guns anymore.)
It's really weird.

 

[Marisa]

I do know some people who are genuine paranoids.
A couple even think I'm out to get them.
Today, a friend coming over to help work is convinced that men in black have been following him for decades.
It's really weird.

I work in a psychology practice. Paranoia is . . . special.

 

[Revoltingest]

I work in a psychology practice. Paranoia is . . . special.

I find it really interesting to discuss reality vs their paranoia.
Sometimes, they can step & face the fact that it's an illusion/delusion.
But it still doesn't go away.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Since we're a much more violent country (except for sports fans at stadiums),
we need guns for self defense.
Defensive gun use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But, at the same time, we have ridiculously loose gun laws. The kids who shot up their middle school in Jonesboro, Arkansas back in the 90s, because they did that when they were kids, when they were released they had no prior record, and because of that they were legally allowed to own guns, even though they shot and killed people with guns (they did go back to jail, so they did loose that, but, nevertheless, such a situation should be impossible).

 

[Marisa]

I find it really interesting to discuss reality vs their paranoia.
Sometimes, they can step & face the fact that it's an illusion/delusion.
But it still doesn't go away.

Nope, it doesn't. My job is actually fairly fascinating.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is it really more violent? And which comes first the violence or the guns? If the person attacking you doesn't have a gun you don't need a gun to defend yourself. It is all the collateral damage too, that 3-year old kid is just one example. It appears to us in the UK that being black is a legitimate reason to shoot someone in the US.
Take the guns out of the equation would the country be so violent?

So, are you saying that if we legalised guns in the UK and people carried them to defend themselves our death rate from guns would drop further???

I accept there will always be guns, there are guns in the UK, but it is very rare that they are used and it is headline news every time it happens.
Even licensing of gun holders would be a start.

Would you accept a parrall arguement that on an international stage, concerning countries, that if you disarm some countries and arm other countries you. will reduce war and deaths?

 

[Altfish]

Would you accept a parrall arguement that on an international stage, concerning countries, that if you disarm some countries and arm other countries you. will reduce war and deaths?

Not sure it is a parallel argument
Disarming is good, but it has to be all countries, not just some. i.e. no one has them

 

[Altfish]

A fact in isolation does not an argument make.

No, but it is a good start. Rather than unsubstantiated statements of belief that you have come up with.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You would need to be an idot to believe or spread propaganda like that.
or simply a vested interest in political or commercial advantage.

 

[Revoltingest]

But, at the same time, we have ridiculously loose gun laws. The kids who shot up their middle school in Jonesboro, Arkansas back in the 90s, because they did that when they were kids, when they were released they had no prior record, and because of that they were legally allowed to own guns, even though they shot and killed people with guns (they did go back to jail, so they did loose that, but, nevertheless, such a situation should be impossible).

The laws could be improved without harming gun rights of us model citizens.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, but it is a good start. Rather than unsubstantiated statements of belief that you have come up with.

I've done that?
No, I've provided evidence to support a cogent argument.
That's how it should be don.

 

[Marisa]

I've done that?
No, I've provided evidence to support a cogent argument.
That's how it should be don.

You misspelled "done". Therefore all previous points and all future points are hereby rendered moot.