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Obama would make talking about guns a CRIME.

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That is, when the public can't get their hands on them
What are we....some effete neutered Brits?
No!
We have guns in this country & the right to own them.
Anyone who doesn't like it can take a testosterone antidote & move to some Europistanian welfare state.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
What are we....some effete neutered Brits?
No!
We have guns in this country & the right to own them.
Anyone who doesn't like it can take a testosterone antidote & move to some Europistanian welfare state.
See, you have a temper and you have guns, not a good combination.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I really don't have any problems with gun ownership, other than how dull and boring the hobby is, but you'd have to be pretty damn gullible to actually thinking anyone's guns are in danger of being taken. These stories exist solely for the purpose of selling more guns. That's about it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, fringe sites are often the ones to break real news which mainstream media will ignore.
But discovering it there warrants searching for better sources.
I can assure you, Info Wars is just bad.
Prepper paranoia, 9/11 was an insider job, fluoride treated water killing us, as a source they are very paranoid and way too much into conspiracy theories. And this is hardly the only time they have, falsely, claimed the government is coming for our guns.
I get more of them than I'd like to because the head shop/tattoo parlor I go to has their magazines and bumper stickers everywhere. I've read enough to know I don't want to read anymore. I'd rather listen to people insist there are FEMA death camps, because Grissom AFB is supposed to have one were the prison is, and because I live just a few miles from Grissom I can have some fun with that debate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, that is true. I'd still rather check the batteries rather than relying on knowing a broken clock will ultimately be correct twice a day.
Broken clocks are right more often though.

But ya know I've actually had clocks which were unreliable,
so I'd look at'm for the time, but if it seemed wrong, I'd check another.
Those clocks are the TruthRevolt of the timekeeping world!
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
Fire arm related deaths per 100,000 people

US - 10.30
UK - 0.25

40 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the US, I wonder why that is and who's got it right?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Fire arm related deaths per 100,000 people

US - 10.30
UK - 0.25

40 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the US, I wonder why that is and who's got it right?
Since we're a much more violent country (except for sports fans at stadiums),
we need guns for self defense.
Defensive gun use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Estimates over the number of defensive gun uses vary, depending on the study's population, criteria, time-period studied, and other factors. Higher end estimates by Kleck andGertz show between 1 to 2.5 million DGUs in the United States each year.[1]:64–65[2][3] Low end estimates cited by Hemenway show approximately 55,000-80,000 such uses each year.[4][5] Middle estimates have estimated approximately 1 million DGU incidents in the United States.[1]:65[6]
How much worse would murder, assault & robbery rates be if those folk had no guns to defend themselves?
This is an issue never addressed by the gun grabbers, who have a rather pollyanna view of their agenda,
ie, unintended consequences are the fly in their ointment.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
There will always be presidential phobia....it happened with all presidents I remember.
Obama might even be having an easier time than Nixon, Reagan & Dubya.
I guarantee that we (Americastanians) will hate whoever assumes the office in 2017.

Ah. You must be kidding with that comparison.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
One other thing that bothers me is that the thread title is quite disconnected from what is actually said even in the article.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ah. You must be kidding with that comparison.
No, they were carefully chosen.
You might not be aware of how those particular presidents were thought of here.

Btw, among psychotherapists I've talked politics with, Reagan is the most hated of all time.
And Dubya was the most generally derided....yes, even more so than.....
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I remember a protest where pregnant women bore signs saying "Nixon's the one!".
Ah, those were the days.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Since we're a much more violent country (except for sports fans at stadiums),
we need guns for self defense.
Defensive gun use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How much worse would murder, assault & robbery rates be if those folk had no guns to defend themselves?
This is an issue never addressed by the gun grabbers, who have a rather pollyanna view of their agenda,
ie, unintended consequences are the fly in their ointment.

Is it really more violent? And which comes first the violence or the guns? If the person attacking you doesn't have a gun you don't need a gun to defend yourself. It is all the collateral damage too, that 3-year old kid is just one example. It appears to us in the UK that being black is a legitimate reason to shoot someone in the US.
Take the guns out of the equation would the country be so violent?

So, are you saying that if we legalised guns in the UK and people carried them to defend themselves our death rate from guns would drop further???

I accept there will always be guns, there are guns in the UK, but it is very rare that they are used and it is headline news every time it happens.
Even licensing of gun holders would be a start.
 
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