John's Word: Did Jesus create the world?

[xkatz]

The world created Jesus.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

I voted yes. For John 1:1 says, "in the beginning was the Word (Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God (the Father), and the Word was God. (Jesus IS God, for He is one with the Father).

And in verse 3, it says through Him were all things made. Yes. Its literal. God spoke the worlds into existence.

 

[gnostic]

LyricalDutchess:

Do you believe what it is written in the Genesis about God creating the world in 6 days, and creating man out of soil or earth, and Eve out of Adam's rib, or Adam and his descendants living 930 years, more or less?

Do you all this, literally in the Genesis? Or do you think the Genesis passages are metaphor or allegory?

 

[Iam Not]

Yes He did

 

[Slo_Motion_BC]

((((
Originally Posted by John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ))))

God Almighty is the creator through Jesus...........

1 Corinthians 8:6, NLT,
6 But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we exist for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.

Respectfully,

Slo.

 

[Slo_Motion_BC]

LyricalDutchess:

Do you believe what it is written in the Genesis about God creating the world in 6 days, and creating man out of soil or earth, and Eve out of Adam's rib, or Adam and his descendants living 930 years, more or less?

Do you all this, literally in the Genesis? Or do you think the Genesis passages are metaphor or allegory?

Hi Gnostic:

(((( and creating man out of soil or earth, ))))

If you look at man's atomic chart of the elements you will find soil and flesh very close to each other in the middle while hydrogen and uranium are at opposite ends from each other.

When a child is born he eats food that comes from the soil and 20 years later you have a person of flesh about 200 pounds.

Yes man did come from the earth.

Respectfully,

Slo.

 

[Slo_Motion_BC]

LyricalDutchess:

Do you believe what it is written in the Genesis about God creating the world in 6 days, and creating man out of soil or earth, and Eve out of Adam's rib, or Adam and his descendants living 930 years, more or less?

Do you all this, literally in the Genesis? Or do you think the Genesis passages are metaphor or allegory?

Hi:
God's day is not 24 hours like man's day which began after the earth was made. So before the completion of the eartth the earth was made in six days of God's time.
So how long is one of God's days?.......................

2 Peter 3:8,NASB,
8But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

Respectfully,

Slo.

 

[kejos]

When did God finish creating? On the cross- "It is finished!"

 

[Slo_Motion_BC]

When did God finish creating?

He has not finished yet..................

Isaiah 65:17 to 24, NASB,
17"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.
18"But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem for rejoicing
And her people for gladness.
19"I will also rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people;
And there will no longer be heard in her
The voice of weeping and the sound of crying.
20"No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days,
Or an old man who does not live out his days;
For the youth will die at the age of one hundred
And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred
Will be thought accursed.
21"They will build houses and inhabit them;
They will also plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22"They will not build and another inhabit,
They will not plant and another eat;
For as the lifetime of a tree, so will be the days of My people,
And My chosen ones will wear out the work of their hands.
23"They will not labor in vain,
Or bear children for calamity;
For they are the offspring of those blessed by the LORD,
And their descendants with them.
24"It will also come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are still speaking, I will hear.
25"The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent's food They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain," says the LORD.

Respectfully,
Slo.

 

[rusra02]

Jesus is the Word described at John 1:1, but he did not create the world. Rather, he was used by his Father, Jehovah, to bring all other things into existence.

This Word, or Lo′gos, was God’s only direct creation, the only-begotten son of God, and evidently the close associate of God to whom God was speaking when he said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.” (Ge 1:26) Hence John continued, saying: “This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”—Joh 1:2, 3.
Other scriptures plainly show that the Word was God’s agent through whom all other things came into existence. There is “one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are.” (1Co 8:6) The Word, God’s Son, was “the beginning of the creation by God,” otherwise described as “the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth.”—Re 3:14; Col 1:15, 16.
Jesus is not God, therefore, and only Jehovah is rightly called the Creator (Revelation 4:11)​

 

[dmgdnooc]

I vote NO.
　
If it can be reasoned from John 1 that Jesus pre-existed, then the same thing can be reasoned of John Baptist.
　
And if it can be reasoned that Jesus is the 'Word' then it must follow that John Baptist is the "Voice'.
　
From there it can be reasoned that there could not be a 'word' without there 1st being a 'voice'.
　
So, if John 1 proves that Jesus is the 2nd person of a Trinity, then it proves that John Baptist is God.
　

 

[gnostic]

If you prescribe that the Genesis cannot be taken literally because it is a parable, allegory or metaphor, then who's to say that John's Word or Logo is not merely allegory or parable.

Much of Jesus' teaching is using parables, hence not to be taken literally, so why is John 1 is different?

 

[logician]

There is no god, thus no creation.

 

[search the scriptures]

KJV

Mark 10:27 - And Jesus looking upon them saith, With menit isimpossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

can god manifest(expand) himself to earth in a human body(becoming a son) through virgin birth, to display righteousness and reveal his will, and be the perfect lamb of god, take on every ones sins that would ever live from day 1 till the end, suffering a sacrificial death willingly? as a display of love for his creation?

Romans 3:10 -" As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:12 -" They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

i would think that god is able, willing, being perfectly righteous to offer himself for us. as mankind, there is no man righteous enough.

John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

i would take god's word (bible), for 100% truth from begining to end, by faith due to god's righteousness and just judgment, god must tell the truth to be just.. i beleive he is faithfull to his word. that we may be truthfully guilty by knowledge and possesion of the truth.

 

[icebuddy]

Jesus is the Word described at John 1:1, but he did not create the world. Rather, he was used by his Father, Jehovah, to bring all other things into existence.

These seem like JW answers, but my answer (Trinity) would be that the Bible says God Created all things and thats why JW must put a wedge between Jesus and being creator because they dont believe Jesus is God. However, it is the simple belief that the God who create all things in the Old Testament is now revealed to us in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Just as our One Universe is made up of Time, Space, and Matter we believe God creates things in 3's for us to understand. Just as we believe a person is made up of Body, Soul, and Spirit. (1Thes 5:23)

This Word, or Lo′gos, was God’s only direct creation, the only-begotten son of God, and evidently the close associate of God to whom God was speaking when he said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.” (Ge 1:26)

Again, the JW type teaching is that Jesus is not God and must be created. It is the Trinity belief that the bible shows in many places that Jesus is God and uncreated. Even John 1:1-3 says Jesus(word) was already there in the beginning and that nothing was created apart from Jesus(including Jesus himself). John also confirms to us at 1John1:1-5 that the Word (Jesus) is Eternal. Besides no where i have seen says Jesus was created before creation.

Hence John continued, saying: “This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”—Joh 1:2, 3.

My answer is quit simple. Jesus is the Image of God and one cannot create without his Image. (and spirit) I see this as no different than saying, I made breakfast through my hands.

Other scriptures plainly show that the Word was God’s agent through whom all other things came into existence. There is “one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are.” (1Co 8:6)

Some people will use this verse to say Jesus isnt God, yet they miss the fact that it also says "One Lord Jesus"... Does that mean the Father is no longer Lord? (or vise versa) Context is showing us that none of these other "so-called" gods matter or exist. To us its one system of belief which includes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The Word, God’s Son, was “the beginning of the creation by God,” otherwise described as “the firstborn of all creation;

The NIV translates Rev 3:14 as Jesus being the "Ruler" of the creation of God. Some people will say Jesus is created, but this is dangerous because you are also saying the Word is Not eternal, Jesus didnt "really" create, not worshipped, not prayed(talked) to, and many more they drag our Lord Jesus down just enough to maybe be dangerous to ones Soul. The Greek word for Beginning here is "ARCHE" and the English word most like it is "[FONT=&quot]Architect​

" or in other words, Jesus is the Architect of the creation of God. Jesus is the Firstborn over Gods creation! Firstborn is a Jewish term meaning Heirship.

Not to overlook the Father being called the "Beginning and End" of all Creation, yet that doesnt mean he has a beginning nor an End. So it is no wonder why we see Jesus also being called the Beginning of Creation as he is exactly like the Father expressing him 100%. (Heb 1:3)

Jesus is not God, therefore, and only Jehovah is rightly called the Creator (Revelation 4:11)

Very dangerous to look at Gods Image, the one who expresses God fully right in the Face and say, "NOT GOD"... Read 1 Corinthians 12:12-22 and then Read 1 Cor 10:1-4

For many old testament Prophets Called the Angel of the Lord, God and Jehovah worshipping him as he were God himself. How much more worthy is Jesus!!!!

In Love,
Tom
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[Jensen]

Hi Tom, the title says Did Jesus create the world?

My answer to this is simple and to the point.

No.

Jensen

 

[james2ko]

The NIV translates Rev 3:14 as Jesus being the "Ruler" of the creation of God.Jesus didnt "really" create, not worshipped, not prayed(talked) to, and many more they drag our Lord Jesus down just enough to maybe be dangerous to ones Soul. The Greek word for Beginning here is "ARCHE" and the English word most like it is "[FONT=&quot]Architect[/FONT] " or in other words, Jesus is the Architect of the creation of God.

1. I would have to amicably disagree. If Christ wanted to impress upon the reader He was only the "ruler" of creation, why didn't He simply utilize the same word He used in Mat 20:25:

" But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers [archon] of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. "​

The Greek term Christ used for ruler is [archon] which can only mean first in rank or power-chief ruler, magistrate, prince, ruler. If Christ's intention was to impress upon the reader He was only the ruler of creation, He utilized the wrong term. Instead He curiously used the term "arche” , which includes the same definition as "archon" but is broader in scope to also mean the very first or original creation.

Some people will say Jesus is created, but this is dangerous because you are also saying the Word is Not eternal,

2. To my knowledge, the bible nowhere states Christ lived forever in the past. That is a hidden assumption.

Jesus is the Firstborn over Gods creation! Firstborn is a Jewish term meaning Heirship.

3. The Greek word for "firstborn" is "prōtotokos". Strong's tells us it was derived from two words:

"protos" [g4413] which means " foremost (in time, place, order or importance): - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all)". Interestingly enough, this is where we derive the English word "prototype."
The second term, "tikto", is defined as: to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literal or figurative: - bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail. The term can only mean one thing--first created.

The phrase "the firstborn of" occurs over 30 times in the Bible and in every instance the acceptation is the same-- the firstborn is the very first allotment of the group. The "firstborn of the sheep" is a sheep who was born or existed before all the others (Gen 4:4), the "firstborn of the animals" is an animal born or in essence first created before all the others, etc. (Neh.10:36).

Not to overlook the Father being called the "Beginning and End" of all Creation, yet that doesnt mean he has a beginning nor an End. So it is no wonder why we see Jesus also being called the Beginning of Creation as he is exactly like the Father expressing him 100%. (Heb 1:3)

4. Christ can not be 100% exactly like the Father. He said so himself:

Joh 14:28 You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.​

The Father and Son are unified and equal (Joh 10:30;Php 2:6) in all except power, rank, and age (Joh 14:28). BTW...I'm not a JW.

 

[Pegg]

What John says:

Word is Jesus; this is implied with God was made flesh and lived among them (humans). [1:14]

It says that the Word is God (which is the reason why some Christians believed that Jesus is God), and the Word is with God. [1:1]

The Word is God's "only begotten son". [1:18] (Which to my mind, contradicts Word being God from 1:1; can a father be a son?)

Word existed before the world was ever created. [1:2]

And that the Word was involved in the creation: [1:3]



Well, I want to a poll on John's version.

Do you believe what John wrote literally? That Jesus have existed before the creation, and was involved with the creation?

Or do you believe that can only be understood as a metaphor?

Yes i believe John really meant that Jesus did create the earth and all things in it. There is a passage in Proverbs chpt 8 where God has a 'master worker' with him at the creation of all things.
It certainly isnt a metaphor because Jesus confirmed that he had a prior existence in heaven at John 8:56-58 (AV): “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

John 8:23*So he went on to say to them: “YOU are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. YOU are from this world; I am not from this world.


So John is stating a fact about Jesus. He wasn't just a human...he was a 'son of God' from heaven who was sent to earth to act as mankinds Messiah.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Other. John 1 talks about the beginning of a world. John 3 explains it is the beginning of Jesus own ministry.

And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

Do you see here how Jesus is explaining that light is being separated from darkness? In John 1 Jesus is referred to as the word, and in John 3 that word separates the light from the darkness. It is a clear usage of the creation account in Genesis. Creation was happening there and then as Jesus was preaching. He became the 'Author and finisher' of the faith.

 

[icebuddy]

Hi Tom, the title says Did Jesus create the world?

My answer to this is simple and to the point.

No.

Jensen

I dont see how you can says Jesus didnt create the world? i would ask you to look at passages: Col 1:16, John 1:3, Gen 1:26, Rev 22:16, Isa 48:12,13

In Love,
Tom