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It is my opinion that if I was alive at the same time I heard of the crimes against innocent people that the Nazis did I would have to stand prepared to forgive anyone who repented of those crimes.
Is that a question? To cease badness, repent, and ask forgiveness should be responded to by the possibility of forgiveness. In life the possibility of forgiveness is much different than the possibility of forgiveness after life.What happened here?
I was wondering the same thing as the Earth isn't going to last forever.
Simply put there exists two sides. Destruction vs Salvation.
I quit!
I wasn't taking issue with your thoughts...my point is that only God can read the heart of an individual and determine the outcome for them. If God saw in Hitler's heart there was no true repentance and that he would continue on a wicked course then there could be no salvation for him. But, once again, that is for God to decide.
What happened here??
Side point regarding Hilter...interesting read....
Catholic Telegraph-Register, Cincinnati, Ohio, of September 1, 1939, follows herewith:
REARED AS CATHOLIC BUT VIOLATES FAITH SAYS CABLE TO POPE
250 Chicago Delegates from Nations, Religious Veterans Trade Union Bodies Join in Startling Appeal.
(While we carry the article below as an interesting news item, we do not agree editorially that it is wise to seek action on such a grave matter as excommunication. It is best to leave to the church authorities all such matters. They know best all the points involved and the possible consequences.EDITORS.)
(By James Colvin)
CHICAGO (Exclusive)An appeal has been made to Pius XII that Reichsfuehrer Adolph Hitler be excommunicated.
The Resolution [was] sent in at the height of the European delegates of Nations, Religious, Veterans, and Trade Union Groups, banded together in the United Organizations for the Defense of Democracy.
Copies of the cablegram were sent to George Cardinal Mundelein of Chicago, William Cardinal OConnell of Boston, Dennis Cardinal Dougherty of Philadelphia, and Archbishop Amleto Giovanni Cicognani Apostolic Delegate to United States at Washington.
Adolph Hitler, it read in part, was born of Catholic parents, was baptized a Catholic, and was reared and educated as such. While publicly by his words, deeds and orders he has become the worlds greatest menace to Christianity, and to civilization, he has not publicly up to the present time declared himself outside of the Church of his parents, and has not repudiated his membership therein, thus remaining subject to the laws and discipline of the Church.
Firmly believing that the pronouncing of excommunication upon Adolph Hitler will help the cause of freedom, Christianity, Humanity, and civilization at this time, we hereby respectfully plead, appeal, and petition your Holiness publicly to proclaim and impose excommunication of Adolph Hitler.
One of the speakers at a mass meeting declared: we petition to make saints, thus recognizing the power of the Papacy. If such action holds good there, why not here? Included in the organizations represented at the meeting were units of the Polish National Alliance, branches of the Polish Roman Catholic Unions, and its joint Committee of Slovak organizations.
Before the Nazi dictator invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, to launch WW II, a plea was made by delegates from forty-eight Polish, Jewish, Slovakian and Lithuanian societies met at Chicago, Illinois, for the pontiff of Vatican City to excommunicate Adolf Hitler, but Pope Pius XII refused to excommunicate that war-mad son of the church.Buffalo, N.Y., Evening Express as of August 29, 1939; The Catholic Telegraph-Register, of Cincinnati, Ohio, Section 2, as of September 1, 1939.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So why wasn't he excommunicated? Others have been for less serious crimes. Investigate...it certainly wasn't because God approved of what Hilter was doing.[/FONT]
Really?...then what does this mean?
Psalms 37:9-11 and verse 29
New International Version (©1984)
the righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.
New Living Translation (©2007)
The godly will possess the land and will live there forever.
English Standard Version (©2001)
The righteous shall inherit the land and dwell upon it forever.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
The righteous will inherit the land And dwell in it forever.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and dwell upon it for eternity.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Righteous people will inherit the land and live there permanently.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever.
American King James Version
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
American Standard Version
The righteous shall inherit the land, And dwell therein for ever.
If a person dies wicked, his course is done, I guess.
"There is no work, not devising, not knowledge" there. Ecclesiastes 9:10
people who, out of ignorance, did unrighteous things will be resurrected.
i think someone who believes in reincarnation is on the way to explaining that contrast better.
Heaven as defined as the best possible destination wished for can certainly be defined as reincarnation by some people. You will not be going off topic I think.
If a person repents of his evil deeds before he dies can he expect a better reincarnated life than if he had not repented?
OK, fair request. I wanted to know if anyone was really interested before I started.
When a person dies he spends time on an astral (heaven) plane enjoying the positive side of his being. So 'good' people have a more fulfilling heaven. But after a time we all realize we have more to grow and return in another body.
The status of that new life is determined not only by heredity and environment but also by the state of your soul.
So the answer to your OP is that heaven is not an all or nothing proposition. It has degrees depending on the quality of the person. So everyone experiences some heaven and some hell (lack of fulfillment and dispointment in heaven). But the good news is we all get smarter and better each time and eventually there is no reincarnation for us,
As a Christian my view is that The Kingdom of Heaven on earth is the best possible destination and the one that Jesus pronounced to be His gospel (good news).
Yes...peace. Here's something new to think about:[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What is the meaning of John 5:28, 29? It says: All those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. If people were going to be condemned on the basis of deeds in their past life, that would be inconsistent with Romans 6:7: He who has died has been acquitted from his sin. It would also be unreasonable to resurrect people simply for them to be destroyed. Acts 24:15: I have hope toward God . . . that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Both those who lived in harmony with Gods righteous ways and people who, out of ignorance, did unrighteous things will be resurrected.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John also wrote of this vision in Revelation: The sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. And death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire. The common grave of mankind will cease to exist.[/FONT]
The Lord says this; "When a wicked man turns from wickedness and does what is right and just because of this he shall live."
"All those who do good shall rise to live, the evildoers shall rise to be condemned."
"Once you have the light keep faith in the light and you will become a child of light."
"Walk in the light once you have it or darkness will come over you."
That is very funny as the deity featured in the Bible is the epitomy of all that is evil!