the science proof that the Prophet Muhammad was existed lol

[Godobeyer]

Prophet Muhammad had a son called him Ibrahim ,

Ibrahim ibn Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Eclipse of the sun at the death of Ibrahim .


The occasion of the death of Ibrahim also coincided with an eclipse of the sun (probably the annular eclipse which occurred in the early morning of 27 January 632, equivalent with the last or the penultimate day of Shawwal, 10 AH)


the question is : if there is no eclipse at 27 January 632 , ? that is mean the story is just a lie , and there is no Ibrahim and Muhammad and the Islam is just big lie .


check out by your self by two these softwares made by non-muslims :


1- Astronomy by calculations 3.01
2- Lunar Calendars and Eclipse Finder 7.79

 

[Venatoris]

the question is : if there is no eclipse at 27 January 632 , ? that is mean the story is just a lie , and there is no Ibrahim and Muhammad and the Islam is just big lie .

I'll take "Logical Fallacies" for 500 Alex.
Whether or not there was an eclipse that day does not prove the existence of Muhammed or his son, nor the validity of Islam as a whole. You think you can confuse people by stating that a completely irrelevant detail in the story will either refute or confirm the rest. That isn't how things work in the real world.

 

[Smoke]

the science proof that the Prophet Muhammad was existed lol

Well may you LOL. That argument is pathetic.

I'll take "Logical Fallacies" for 500 Alex.
Whether or not there was an eclipse that day does not prove the existence of Muhammed or his son, nor the validity of Islam as a whole. You think you can confuse people by stating that a completely irrelevant detail in the story will either refute or confirm the rest. That isn't how things work in the real world.

Actually, it's even worse than that, because the date of Ibrahim's death is not known, and the Islamic calendar was not even in use at the time of his death.

This is the argument, or rather two separate arguments.

1) There was an eclipse when Ibrahim ibn Muhammad died.
2) There was an eclipse on 27 January 632.
3) Therefore, Ibrahim ibn Muhammad must have died on 27 January 632.

1) Muslim tradition records that there was an eclipse when Ibrahim ibn Muhammad died.
2) Ibrahim ibn Muhammad died on 27 January 632.
3) There was an eclipse on 27 January 632.
4) Therefore, Muslim tradition is reliable.

The argument begs the question.

 

[PolyHedral]

I don't actually care whether Muhammad exists. I care whether his ideas are at all credible, which is far harder to demonstrate.

Also, the eclipse happened on the 30th, not the 27th of the extrapolated calender. Try again?

 

[Freedom21]

What i think GODobeyer That you are just wasting your time by these topics.
You have to think big before you put your ( GREAT ) ideas , And don't be silly brother .

 

[K.Venugopal]

The occasion of the death of Ibrahim also coincided with an eclipse of the sun

Even today many are born and many die on the day of an eclipse. So where is the miracle? It would have been a miracle if some astronomical phenomenon occurred upon the death of Ibrahim that never happened before or after or at least rarely happened.

 

[Godobeyer]

Even today many are born and many die on the day of an eclipse. So where is the miracle? It would have been a miracle if some astronomical phenomenon occurred upon the death of Ibrahim that never happened before or after or at least rarely happened.

i Did not say it a "miracle" ...lol ... i said it's a proof that the history the muslims is based on true . because if the software did not find an eclipse of the sun at 27 january 632 that mean it's ,there was no death of Ibrahim and it's mean it's a lie story ...

i guess you did not got my point ...these software created last few years,right ?
and this story is registered as history of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ok.

do you got it now ?

 

[PolyHedral]

I got it alright: Islamic astronomers forgot to carry the 1. The mechanics of the eclipse and of the Gregorian calender are understood better than ancient history; If there is a discrepancy, it is more likely that the text is wrong then the mathematics.

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't actually care whether Muhammad exists. I care whether his ideas are at all credible, which is far harder to demonstrate.

Also, the eclipse happened on the 30th, not the 27th of the extrapolated calender. Try again?

yes absulty right ... but i want to tell that we have two kinds of date CE,JC ....
in that software ...and i guess its not a matter if 3 days or weak ...because the eclipse of the sun not always come right ?

the software will show you this two kinds of dates :
Commen Era : 632.01.30
Julain :632.01.27

try again

 

[PolyHedral]

This would be impressive, since the difference between the modern Gregorian calender extrapolated backwards and the Julian is more than 10 days, not 3.

 

[Godobeyer]

This would be impressive, since the difference between the modern Gregorian calender extrapolated backwards and the Julian is more than 10 days, not 3.

From where you find out that the different is 10 days ?

The software i have say only 3 days ( Lunar Calendars and Eclipse Finder 7.79 )
but the other software (Astronomy by calculations 3.01) confirme that there was an eclipse of the sun at 632-1-27 (without doublt) and at the zone of the middel east . lol

 

[K.Venugopal]

i Did not say it a "miracle" ...lol ... i said it's a proof that the history the muslims is based on true . because if the software did not find an eclipse of the sun at 27 january 632 that mean it's ,there was no death of Ibrahim and it's mean it's a lie story ...

i guess you did not got my point ...these software created last few years,right ?
and this story is registered as history of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ok.

do you got it now ?

Nobody is denying that Mohammad and his family are historical characters because the events happened in the middle ages. Can you please tell me about the miracle of Mohammad splitting the moon?

 

[Venatoris]

From where you find out that the different is 10 days ?

The software i have say only 3 days ( Lunar Calendars and Eclipse Finder 7.79 )
but the other software (Astronomy by calculations 3.01) confirme that there was an eclipse of the sun at 632-1-27 (without doublt) and at the zone of the middel east . lol

Lol indeed. Now would you care to explain what this proves? Eclipses are a natural occurance and it isn't surprising that people wrote this information down 1400 years ago when you consider the overall intelligence level and rampant superstition of people at the time. This information gives creedence to absolutely none of your religious beliefs.

 

[Godobeyer]

Lol indeed. Now would you care to explain what this proves? Eclipses are a natural occurance and it isn't surprising that people wrote this information down 1400 years ago when you consider the overall intelligence level and rampant superstition of people at the time. This information gives creedence to absolutely none of your religious beliefs.

all the other posters understand what i tried to say , you make me wounder how you did not got it until now ????
ok

the prove is there was an event happened (the story of death Ibrahim correspond with an eclipse of sun at 632-1-27) in past confirmed in the present by many softwares (made by non-muslims)

 

[Venatoris]

all the other posters understand what i tried to say , you make me wounder how you did not got it until now ????
ok

the prove is there was an event happened (the story of death Ibrahim correspond with an eclipse of sun at 632-1-27) in past confirmed in the present by many softwares (made by non-muslims)

The only thing about the story of Ibrahim that you have proven to be true is that there was an eclipse. Have you seen the movie Titanic? 4 hours of fiction with 2 minutes of historical fact. We can prove that the Titanic existed but that doesn't mean the entire story is true. You get what I'm saying here?

 

[Godobeyer]

The only thing about the story of Ibrahim that you have proven to be true is that there was an eclipse. Have you seen the movie Titanic? 4 hours of fiction with 2 minutes of historical fact. We can prove that the Titanic existed but that doesn't mean the entire story is true. You get what I'm saying here?

i got it ... you believe that its true proof ..but you did not believe that Prophet Muhammad is messenger of God

 

[Venatoris]

i got it ... you believe that its true proof ..but you did not believe that Prophet Muhammad is messenger of God

Almost. I believe you proved that the eclipse did happen. You did not prove that Muhammed and Ibrahim actually existed as your thread title claims.

 

[PolyHedral]

From where you find out that the different is 10 days ?

The software i have say only 3 days ( Lunar Calendars and Eclipse Finder 7.79 )
but the other software (Astronomy by calculations 3.01) confirme that there was an eclipse of the sun at 632-1-27 (without doublt) and at the zone of the middel east . lol

I'm not sure, so I did the maths manually. If we assume that the Gregorian and Julian calenders were in sync when the Gregorian was invented in 1582, working both backwards the 950 years between then and 632 gives a difference of 7 days. (Since there are 7 leap days included in the Julian but not in the Gregorian in that period.)

 

[DeitySlayer]

LOL is right. Let's analyse your claim.

Eclipse happened, therefore Ibrahim died on that day

Epic fail of logic. All that is demonstrated is that an eclipse happened on that day. The occurence of the eclipse is irrelevant to Ibrahim's death. What if, on the next solar eclipse, I wrote down in a diary 'Today there was a solar eclipse. And an alien landed in my back garden'. Does the occurence of the eclipse validate the ET claim?

Therefore Islam is correct

Er...no. If you came up with any real evidence of this event, it would be evidence for this event only. It is not miraculous, nor fundamental to Islam; just a regular occurence. People die all the time. Other people certainly died during solar eclipses, other people certainly died during that specific solar eclipse. Some Amazonian tribesman died on that day as well. Does that prove his tribal beliefs on spirits and animism, etc. correct in your eyes?

 

[Meow Mix]

Where are the good Muslim apologetics like the kalam cosmological argument and blah?