Ok, I just misremembered who you were talking about.
However the ultimate point is this:
An eclipse may have occurred at the same time as Ibrahim's death. All we know though is that an eclipse occurred.
That doesn't prove anything else. I personally have no problem with assuming that it might even be probable that Ibraham/Mohammed existed, and that a solar eclipse occurred during Ibraham's death.
The problem is the argument that therefore other things about the Quran are true: that isn't the case.
Even if the eclipse did occur and Ibraham did exist, it doesn't prove anything other than that: it doesn't prove that the Quran is the word of Allah or anything.
I doubt that Mohammed or Ibraham were anyone special, it seems reasonable that they were just regular human beings that other people happened to believe.
Likewise, I don't doubt that Troy exists or that it was based on an actual war, but I doubt that monsters or Greek gods exist.
Neither story proves its more fantastic parts just because small parts of them proved to be true. Do you agree, Godobeyer?
I mean, I know that you believe that Mohammed and Ibraham were special people. But do you agree that the argument that the eclipse happened can't convinced an unbeliever any more than the existence of Troy would convince you that monsters exist?
You need just to read my first post , very careful , because you mixed with names , there is Ibrahim (pbuh) Prophet , and there is Ibrahim son of prophet Muhammad .
You're comparing Y vs. Z, which is not a fair comparison. Imagine if I were to say:
Mohammed vs. Troy --> Mohammed (not confirmed), Troy (confirmed)
See how it's mismatched? When you compare them exactly, you will see why your argument does not work. What you're doing is using a fallacy, and we've all been trying to point that out to you for a little while now.
If an eclipse happened, it does not prove that Mohammed existed just because the Quran says so, even if that eclipse is described in the Quran.
1- you should focus very carefuly when you read , i never said that this story it's not found in the Quran (you said that) , it's the history of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
then when you rematch between Muhammad (
character in the history Islam )vs Troy (city existed ) !!!! this is absultly wrong tell me why ????!!!
You should combine between the two things that exited now , Islam history VS and Troy ( or Mecca history VS Troy history,because Mecca and TRoy both of them cities,Location)
because Muhammad (pbuh) is( not confirmed as you believe),He is a
character in the
Islam History, and Troy both of them existed , now we analyse their (event,Faith,we call their history) , Islam history event (eclipse of sun at the death of his son) , Troy beliefs (Gods, and monsters )
ok let's use the two places : (Mecca,Holy city for the muslims) vs Troy (city of Greek) ...both of them existed.
event from the past :Troy history people of troy said that there was Gods and Monsters ok
event from the past :Islam history : said (there was an eclipse of sun at the death of Ibrahim son Muhammad at 21-1-632 ) ok
you know what ,
I will give you an good exmeple to show you how you mixed it :
- as if I give a name of greek Gods The
Ourea did not existed , Mekka (exited ) this is wrong match between a charactere in the past , and a city in the present ..... this is exactly what you did .
the result:
you mixed with the locations and characteres , and you mixed between the past and the present ...and you did not focus when you read...because i did not said that the Quran said or the eclipse happened at Muhammad (pbuh) death.
I hope you understand me now .
