Is jesus his own father?

[sojourner]

You miss the point, the church, or at least the trinitarieans belive that god = jesus, and it that is so then jesus fathered himself,

We don't believe that. You say we believe that. But you're wrong.

 

[sojourner]

the christians teach that jesus is god, or 1/3 god? yes

No. Jesus is not 1/3 God. Jesus is Very God. The Father is Very God. The H.S. is Very God.

 

[sojourner]

Oh yes it is! When ANYone (myself included) makes a claim, it is our "job" to answer questions about that claim.

Sometimes it's our "job" to raise questions that cause others to think or search...

 

[sojourner]

Speak for yourself. If the church followed the tradition of burning heretics at the stake I would be toast.

Jesus didn't agree that traditions should replace the word of God so why should you?

Somehow, I don't think that the act of burning heretics is part of what is meant by "tradition." That kind of judgment is exactly the stuff that Jesus was on about with regard to the religious authorities.

 

[sojourner]

Isn't the point that the churches of Christendom or so-called Christianity developed after the first century ended, or first century Christianity ended?

Mankind religious family tree can be traced back to Mesopotamia and among the pagans there were trinities of gods. Even with Nimrod there was a triune god.

Does church tradition outside of Scripture prove that Scripture is wrong?
Surely Jesus would have known, by his words to John, that he [Jesus} was the beginning of the creation by God- Rev 3:14 B.

No, that's incorrect. There is no such disconnect between the churches of the second century and the churches of the first century.
Scripture is part of Tradition, not the other way round, so your next-to-last question makes no sense.

 

[Josh5v]

Did the human Jesus have 1/2 human chromosomes from Mary and 1/2 chromosomes created by a non-material entity?

Just curious.

 

[Katzpur]

We don't believe that. You say we believe that. But you're wrong.

It's really something, isn't it, how people can tell you over and over again what you believe? You can say, "That's not what I believe," but it doesn't make an ounce of difference. They just keep saying, "Oh yes you do."

 

[Katzpur]

Did the human Jesus have 1/2 human chromosomes from Mary and 1/2 chromosomes created by a non-material entity?

Just curious.

If Jesus truly was a human being, then he must have had 46 chronosomes, one strand of 23 which He got from His mother and another strand of 23 which He got from His Father. I don't believe His Father was "a non-material entity," either. As to how His conception took place, the Bible doesn't really tell us. It tells us only that Jesus' mother was a virgin before and after His birth.

 

[sojourner]

It's really something, isn't it, how people can tell you over and over again what you believe? You can say, "That's not what I believe," but it doesn't make an ounce of difference. They just keep saying, "Oh yes you do."

"Nuh-uh!" seems to be the only fair argument to "Yah-huh!"

 

[Muffled]

The "Word of God" gets its authority from the Church, not the other way around. The Catholic Church looked over many books and writings and selected the ones that would be in the Bible. They basically said "we deem that these writings are the Word of God these writings are not." Church tradition was the basis for their authority.

That is where Protestants parted ways. The Apochrypha were tradionally included in the Bible but through the guidance o9f the Holy Spirit, Protestants removed them from the Bible. Then there are the heretical books written by heretics which negate the word of God and never were traditionally included in the mainstream church.

Then there are the Mormons who did not attach the Books of Mormon to the Bible but treat them as another Bible. However there is no evidence to indicate that they are any more than a fictional mirror of the Bible.

 

[Muffled]

If Jesus truly was a human being, then he must have had 46 chronosomes, one strand of 23 which He got from His mother and another strand of 23 which He got from His Father. I don't believe His Father was "a non-material entity," either. As to how His conception took place, the Bible doesn't really tell us. It tells us only that Jesus' mother was a virgin before and after His birth.

This is a bit misleading. It makes it sound like a physical father was providing chromosomes. God is a spirit and capable of creating the the other 23.

The Bible is quite clear that God is a spirit but also is able to create a body for Himself. However the angel did not say that God would physically impregnate Mary but that: Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.

Do you really need God to tell you the facts of life?

 

[Muffled]

it is also written to the jews that if any one comes and offers them other gods, gods that there fathers knew not they were to kill them, even if is was from there own house hold, jesus is a god that Moses did not know. the christian religion is everything opposite of the jewish belife system, even jesus was qoted as saying the law would not pass away, so if you bleive jesus then you have to belive the part were it says no new gods, and christians belive jesus is god.

Jesus is God in the flesh and that means Moses did know Him.

This statement isn't true and for that reason is totally unprovable.

Yes but not a new one.

 

[Harshtotem]

exactly He is fully divine- and in no way was he ever human- his appearance was as slieght of te eye- he appeared to likeas like-The angels thought he was Gabriel- man called him Jesus-
etc, etc

 

[sojourner]

exactly He is fully divine- and in no way was he ever human- his appearance was as slieght of te eye- he appeared to likeas like-The angels thought he was Gabriel- man called him Jesus-
etc, etc

That heresy was put to rest long ago. It destroys the very nature of salvation, according to Christian theology.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jesus is God in the flesh and that means Moses did know Him.
This statement isn't true and for that reason is totally unprovable.
Yes but not a new one.

Why does Exodus 33:20, written by Moses, say No man can see God and live ?
People saw Jesus and lived.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

exactly He is fully divine- and in no way was he ever human- his appearance was as slieght of te eye- he appeared to likeas like-The angels thought he was Gabriel- man called him Jesus-
etc, etc

How could the angels think Jesus was Gabriel when Gabriel was the angel used to proclaim to Mary about her becoming pregnant by God's power or spirit.

Jesus is divine because Jesus had a pre-human existence being created as God's firstborn in the heavens, being the beginning of the creation by God according to: Revelation 3:14 B and Colossians 1:15,16.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If Jesus truly was a human being, then he must have had 46 chronosomes, one strand of 23 which He got from His mother and another strand of 23 which He got from His Father. I don't believe His Father was "a non-material entity," either. As to how His conception took place, the Bible doesn't really tell us. It tells us only that Jesus' mother was a virgin before and after His birth.

God used his same powerful active force that was used in the Genesis (1:2) creation account to transfer the pre-human life of Jesus into the material world.

 

[Katzpur]

This is a bit misleading. It makes it sound like a physical father was providing chromosomes. God is a spirit and capable of creating the the other 23.

I believe that God is spirt, but I also believe He is love and light. He is not one of these things to the exclusion of the others. The Greek word "pneuma" was sometimes translated as "spirit." At other times, it was translated as "life." If God is "pneuma," then "God is life." The fact that He is spirit does not mean that He has no physical form. Jesus was in the "express image of His Father's person." If His Father did not have the form of a person, Jesus, having the form of a person, could not have been in the express image of that person. I didn't say that God provided 23 chromosomes in the same way our earthly fathers provided ours, only that He was literally the Father of Jesus Christ.

The Bible is quite clear that God is a spirit but also is able to create a body for Himself. However the angel did not say that God would physically impregnate Mary but that: Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.

God didn't "create a body for Himself." He created a body for His Only Begotten Son. The Holy Spirit did, in fact, come upon Mary, but her Son was not the Son of the Holy Spirit. He was the Son of God.

Do you really need God to tell you the facts of life?

That sounds like an insult to me. I'm sorry you feel the need to insult to get your point across. But to answer your question, no, I don't need God to tell me the facts of life. Jesus Christ's conception cannot be explained by what you and I would refer to as the facts of life anyway.

 

[Katzpur]

Then there are the Mormons who did not attach the Books of Mormon to the Bible but treat them as another Bible. However there is no evidence to indicate that they are any more than a fictional mirror of the Bible.

Sorry to disappoint you, Muffled but it's the "Book of Mormon," not the "Books of Mormon." We do not treat the Book of Mormon as another Bible. There is only one Bible. Your opionion of the validity of the Book of Mormon has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the OP. Furthermore, I highly doubt you've even read the Book of Mormon. If I'm right, you are not in a position to comment one way or the other.

 

[Beaudreaux]

If Jesus truly was a human being, then he must have had 46 chronosomes, one strand of 23 which He got from His mother and another strand of 23 which He got from His Father. I don't believe His Father was "a non-material entity," either. As to how His conception took place, the Bible doesn't really tell us. It tells us only that Jesus' mother was a virgin before and after His birth.

Doesn't that mean that God put sperm into her womb without breaking her hymen. Kind of like the coin through the table trick, but with holy semen?