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Is nationality important?

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
Is it important to you to be American/Turkish/Egyptian/British/whatever ?

Should it be important?

What does it mean to be American/Turkish/Egyptian/British/whatever ?
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
It gives me a reference, a language and other things. Sometimes when people hear that I am dutch, suddenly they allow themselves to speak more freely. They somehow know I don't mind talking about drugs, sex and use cursewords. (Dutch people in general speak about those subjects in a different way) It is handy to use the dutch stereotype on me, because I think it does get close to my personallity. People know I will speak up and tell them exactly what I think. But they are also aware that I am not going to be that considerate about their feelings if they want my opinion.

That's what it means to me, however, I do not think it's that important. I am really proud being dutch, but I would probably also be proud being an english man or overly proud being an american :p
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend stephenw,

Humans have the choice to choose.
Some has chosen to be free in thoughts, words and deeds and there is democracy which allows that but within limitation.
Next we have countries where communism is prevalent allowing free thoughts but not words or deeds as thoughts cannot be controlled.

In that sense surely a democratic country is important, label of country makes no difference.

Love & rgds
 

MSizer

MSizer
No. I strongly dislike (very much) patriotism. I find it terribly decisive for humankind. I speak two languages fluently, and plan to learn at least one more, because I find it important to immerse myself in the culture of others so as to facilitate my tolerance for other people (I know I'm no saint in that respect, but I'm working on it). To be proud of one's nation is a shameful state, as it automatically creates a standard to which you judge all humans who do not share your nationality. I hope it is one of the concepts humanity will abandon in future as we become more morally enlightened. (that along with a true concern for equitable distribution of food and goods among all humans and the eradication of the use of animals for food).
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
I speak two languages fluently, and plan to learn at least one more, because I find it important to immerse myself in the culture of others so as to facilitate my tolerance for other people (I know I'm no saint in that respect, but I'm working on it). To be proud of one's nation is a shameful state, as it automatically creates a standard to which you judge all humans who do not share your nationality.
I do not understand..
I am proud of my nation. That is based upon government, rules, lifestyle, etc..
The standard of wich you speak of is the same standard if I wasn't proud of my nation, because it is simply the things I see everyday, making it a standard.
Also, I never speak dutch when I am in another country. Pride has nothing to do with convenience ;) (Besides, I might be proud at the Netherlands, that does not mean that I follow it blindly, I certainly do not like our language.)

I hope it is one of the concepts humanity will abandon in future as we become more morally enlightened.

Not only am I a dutch guy, I am also a brabander (provence), an european guy, a worldcitizen, a human, etc.. The concept you are talking about is forming groups. No way will that disappear. When a groups emerge, wich it will, you cannot hide the differences, and they are either in your advantage or not. I can see no trouble in picking favourites there..
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Nationality goes a long way in determining prosperity and security, eg: just compare your typical Somali with an average Norwegian, but as an identity I agree with MSizer -- patriotism is pernicious. I've no problem calling myself a North American, but I never identify myself as an American.
 

Perfect Circle

Just Browsing
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say I disagree with patriotism (as I understand it), but I am definitely opposed to nationalism. I think anything that brings humanity together is a good thing. Being proud of my culture and traditions, without going to far as to think of them as "better" than others, doesn't seem wrong to me at all.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Is it important to you to be American/Turkish/Egyptian/British/whatever ?

Should it be important?

What does it mean to be American/Turkish/Egyptian/British/whatever ?
I think this type of question is always misleading.
It might come from a place of 'can you or can't you think outside your local box'.
this question is also highly relative. naturally it is important in the sense of your identity. whether you claim you are a patriot or not, you have many personal traits, most likely the majority of your personal traits, which are a direct result of your nationality. your nationality is 'important' in the sense of the language you speak, the jargon you know, the social trends, cultural traditions and many other psychological and social implications that are an essential part of your life and who you are. as a patriot a person should have a passion to see social justice in his nation, and social sanity in general. being a 'citizen of the world', and understanding the responsibility of being a citizen of a specific nation come in no contradiction.
I fully recognize my reality as an Israeli citizen, but I join this forum every day and communicate with people in English. I love to travel and experience different cultures, I also take the time to travel in nations that people on this forum feel I should be at odds with for being an Israeli.
nationality is important in the sense, of being a healthy citizen in your nation, to understand your society and its challenges, to understand you are a link in the historical frame of your people, all this means being both an advocate AND a critic of your nation when the need rises, after all, as a member of a certain nation or culture, you have a valuable insight to share and voice. your opinion matters.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
I like to call myself an Australian here to reinforce the fact that im not American. Some people just do not see the right hand side of the page.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend darkendless,

I like to call myself an Australian here to reinforce the fact that im not American. Some people just do not see the right hand side of the page.

Thats fine. Though as friend Caladan mentions the OP is misleading however personal understanding is that our friend stephenw wished to understand whether we are humans first as global citizens or are more localized, in todays world being a global village idea should be a reality.

Love & rgds
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Is it important to you to be American/Turkish/Egyptian/British/whatever ?

I'm trying not to jump to conclusions about what you mean by this phrase. Is it important to me PERSONALLY? Yes - I think the culture that we grow up in leaves in indelible imprint on us. So in that sense it's "important."

I also think that if you have disdain for the country you live in, you should either roll your shirtsleeves up and try to fix it in a positive way - in other words, start with your own corner of the world and try to make it a better place - or leave. Don't just sit around ******** and moaning and doing nothing to improve the situation.

Finally, I do NOT think the country we are from makes any difference at all when it comes to human dignity, the sacredness of human life, or the level of respect we should have for each other. I also think it should have no bearing on our sense of self worth. I believe we are all made in the image of God.

What does it mean to be American/Turkish/Egyptian/British/whatever ?

I've traveled and lived in many parts of the world, and I consider myself pretty lucky. These experiences have created in me an even greater respect for other cultures, and a deep curiosity in those cultures as well. But my travels have also reinforced for me that I personally prefer my permanent residence to be in the US.

My future daughter in law is here for the next two weeks. She is from South Korea and has never been to the US before. She is literally awe-struck, and is very excited about eventually moving here. In Korea, her family is upper middle class - her father manages a large distribution department for the US commissaries in South Korea. She's college educated, bilingual, and has a good job. She lives an affluent life by South Korean standards. But the US, simply put, blows her mind.

We spent the day yesterday in Fort Worth down at the stockyards. She was surrounded by Tex Mex culture. It was so fun to see things through her eyes - in fact, her visit has reinforced my pride in my country and our Texas heritage.

We also went to Koreatown in Dallas yesterday and hit up the Korean markets for groceries. She was so cute shopping and it was so much fun watching her slip into her own culture, talking a mile a minute with the clerks, taking charge of the grocery cart, and very carefully choosing all the ingredients, reading labels and minutely inspecting the meats and produce. I know that this was refreshing to her and a welcome break from a constant barrage of American culture.

Today my future daughter in law is going to cook up a huge Korean meal for us, and we're all really looking forward to it. She has really, really been excited about showcasing her Korean heritage. We've also enjoyed introducing her to Texas style steaks, fajitas, and Sonic - and livestock, the huge Texas sky, the pledge of allegiance and national anthem at the rodeo yesterday, and the wide open spaces in our beautiful country. And there is nothing much adorable than a petite, mischievous Korean girl dressed in tights, boots, a peacoat and a big cowboy hat!

The point I am trying to make is that it's OK to be proud of where you live and where you're from - as long as you balance that with respect for others.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Can't say i'm a fan of being instantly assumed to be American. I resent that.


I can understand that. Many people have a hard time understanding that I really don't care what others think about me. That does not automatically make me a bad person.

Life would truly be sad if we where all the same.

Think about the point I am making. Many folks either change their opinions to be popular or keep their opinions to themselves.

If you think the whole world should think as you do, that speaks volumes.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Is it important to you to be American/Turkish/Egyptian/British/whatever ?

Should it be important?
Does being Irish and Irish opinion important to you when the EU tries to sway your nation to conform to EU interest?
What does it mean to be American/Turkish/Egyptian/British/whatever ?
Your nation is where you are naturally accepted, sometimes infinitely more than in other places. will most Turks feel at home in Britain? will a Briton feel at home in Turkey?
most of what people know is life in their own nation, where they grew around their family, friends and landscape, and where they share a common sense of empathy to a common reality, with mutual understanding regarding that reality but not necessarily exclusive opinions about it.
as I said earlier, there shouldn't be a contrast between your personal sense of nationality and your communication (or appreciation of) with individuals outside your nation. nationality is more than pride, it is a sense of identity, and inseparable psychological motives of identity.
 
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