Can outsiders learn from Sufism?

[.lava]

Meditation can take u lowest hell and also to the highest realization.Its just ur unsuccessful attempt,does mean the practice itself is wrong.
Wat are u upto?Through out the thread,u have been mocking at Hinduism & Co by calling them satanic.Moreover ur knowledge of Eastern religions are very shallow.

i do not mock and i would not call people i don't even know personally 'satanic'.






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[nameless]

i meditated for years.

It is not possible to study meditation online or from any books, sorry to say what you have learnt is just concentration, and concentration is not meditation.

 

[.lava]

It is not possible to study meditation online or from any books, sorry to say what you have learnt is just concentration, and concentration is not meditation.

now, considering your knowledge on Sufism, how much trust could i put on your knowledge of meditation?





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[nameless]

now, considering your knowledge on Sufism, how much trust could i put on your knowledge of meditation?

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it is not my words, these are words of those people who reached meditative state, google it and you can find it to be true.

 

[.lava]

it is not my words, these are words of those people who reached meditative state, google it and you can find it to be true.

your words about Sufism or meditation? which one do you mean?


ahh...nameless ahh!! googling religions, knowledge from wikipedia....





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[nameless]

your words about Sufism or meditation? which one do you mean?

i meant meditation here, though it is also applicable to sufism too.

 

[nameless]

ahh...nameless ahh!!

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what?, lol

 

[.lava]

what?, lol

wikipedia is a joke.





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[.lava]

i meant meditation here, though it is also applicable to sufism too.

so you're just transfering what you read on the net about meditation?





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[nameless]

so you're just transfering what you read on the net about meditation?

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"one can learn meditation only from spiritual masters" - this statement is approved by every serious meditators, for confirmation you can check quotes of such people in internet, this does not mean i asked you learn meditation online, clear now?

 

[nameless]

sometimes people confuse some practices we do with meditation. if you're not using any mantra, meditation is about breaking chain of thoughts and keeping mind still which anyone can do even while cooking or walking...etc. i do like stillness of mind. but using mantras is different from keeping mind still, free of thoughts. every mantra starts with Om which represents nothingness or emptiness. there is nothing in there but dark. darkness is where satan belongs.

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you have learned only concentration, concentration is not meditation.

You understand meditation to be just sitting eye closed, so you can find only darkness. There wont be any thoughts in nothingness, how can you see darkness when you are not able to think? Nothingness is an experience, pls avoid using your logic in interpreting that, it is not interpretable.

 

[.lava]

you have learned only concentration, concentration is not meditation.

You understand meditation to be just sitting eye closed, so you can find only darkness. There wont be any thoughts in nothingness, how can you see darkness when you are not able to think?

as i tried to explain in my pms for you, that is not my concern.

Nothingness is an experience, pls avoid using your logic in interpreting that.

so is Sufism.





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[YmirGF]

"one can learn meditation only from spiritual masters" - this statement is approved by every serious meditators, for confirmation you can check quotes of such people in internet, this does not mean i asked you learn meditation online, clear now?

It is best to just let this go. I'd much rather that .lava and other Muslims speak freely about meditation, as practiced by non-Muslim, because it would show us a great deal of how they think. I especially loved the idea that OM leads directly to Satan. I'd suggest there are very good reasons for thinking of OM in this way.

 

[.lava]

It is best to just let this go. I'd much rather that .lava and other Muslims speak freely about meditation, as practiced by non-Muslim, because it would show us a great deal of how they think. I especially loved the idea that OM leads directly to Satan.

i donot know what other Muslims do or say but if you could bring ten posts of mine that talks about meditation, that would be nice. i know i can quote dozens from you that make claims about Islam. believe/disbelieve is one thing, propaganda is another.





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[Aquitaine]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is Sufism, and how is it different to Islam?

Also, how is a ....... "Sufist" (?) different to a Muslim?

Also, slightly off-topic question but there are some Muslims who only adhere to the Koran and not Sunnah/Hadiths etc - what're they called, or do they no have any "official" name?

 

[.lava]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is Sufism, and how is it different to Islam?

Also, how is a ....... "Sufist" (?) different to a Muslim?

they are called Sufi or dervish. they are followers of Qur'an and sunnah.

Also, slightly off-topic question but there are some Muslims who only adhere to the Koran and not Sunnah/Hadiths etc - what're they called, or do they no have any "official" name?

i don't know. i am unsure if it is even possible to be a Muslim without following Sunnah.





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[Aquitaine]

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they are called Sufi or dervish. they are followers of Qur'an and sunnah.




i don't know. i am unsure if it is even possible to be a Muslim without following Sunnah.





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Koran and Sunnah? So then how do they differ from standard Muslims? Isn't that what all Muslim follow - generally-speaking?

 

[nameless]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is Sufism, and how is it different to Islam?

Also, how is a ....... "Sufist" (?) different to a Muslim?

Also, slightly off-topic question but there are some Muslims who only adhere to the Koran and not Sunnah/Hadiths etc - what're they called, or do they no have any "official" name?

lots of difference, even some muslims say sufism is unislamic and some sufis say shariah law is non-sense. Sufis are open minded, and has many practices which are unislamic.

Is sufism not part of Islam?

 

[.lava]

Koran and Sunnah? So then how do they differ from standard Muslims? Isn't that what all Muslim follow - generally-speaking?

unfortunately most Muslims are not following Qur'an. they follow hadiths and commentaries of Qur'an. therefor there are sections even though Qur'an openly and clearly says there should not be sections in religion. reason why there are sections is not Qur'an itself but commentaries that offer different angles.




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[YmirGF]

i donot know what other Muslims do or say but if you could bring ten posts of mine that talks about meditation, that would be nice. i know i can quote dozens from you that make claims about Islam. believe/disbelieve is one thing, propaganda is another.

I don't need to quote 10 posts, .lava, as your single post summed everything up quite splendidly. The wise will be able read that post and understand why you have that understanding, but they will need to have a clear understanding of Islam and non-Islamic forms of meditation. IF one does not have sufficient knowledge in both categories they will not understand why you believe what you wrote.

What I am saying is, your explanation MAKES SENSE, from an Islamic perspective. I get it. I wonder if you realize how clever your description of meditation was and the implications of your descriptions.