Sharia law approved in Britain

[darkendless]

What a pleasant surprise it was to see you posting this. We debated this in another thread and I told yo that “ In Australia we don’t obey minorities, no matter how noisy they are“, I see that you finally got it. Thing are defined and applied according with the majority will, if this is presented and is the majority will that they have this right, that is the way it will be, it will only be presented for popular consultation if there is interest in the subject, it seem that you have come to understand this, congratulations.

This is different to homosexuality Emiliano, you really should understand that since you think you know everything

 

[emiliano]

This is different to homosexuality Emiliano, you really should understand that since you think you know everything

Craiky! And I thought you’ve got it, let see, you saying that the minority desires to have Sharia law to settle some of their disputations shouldn‘t even be considered, because they are a minority in our country, but you bad mouth this country and call those that opposed seme sex marriage backward and bigot, how interesting! Aren’t gay people a minority? And when I remember how insolent you were in your debating and the time that we wasted in replying to your posts for a moment I thought that we manage to make you understand the reason for our opposition. I don’t know everything I just think before I post

 

[darkendless]

Craiky! And I thought you’ve got it, let see, you saying that the minority desires to have Sharia law to settle some of their disputations shouldn‘t even be considered, because they are a minority in our country, but you bad mouth this country and call those that opposed seme sex marriage backward and bigot, how interesting! Aren’t gay people a minority? And when I remember how insolent you were in your debating and the time that we wasted in replying to your posts for a moment I thought that we manage to make you understand the reason for our opposition. I don’t know everything I just think before I post

Honestly,

Sharia is a religious matter
Homosexual Marriage is a civil matter

Your opposition is flawed Emiliano, you can't honestly expect me to accept your reasoning. God is not a reason to deny rights. The same way God does not entitle you to special rights.

 

[emiliano]

Honestly,

Sharia is a religious matter
Homosexual Marriage is a civil matter

Your opposition is flawed Emiliano, you can't honestly expect me to accept your reasoning. God is not a reason to deny rights. The same way God does not entitle you to special rights.

That would depend, won’t it? To religious folks (an overwhelming majority) it would be compelling reason, to the minority of gay and Godless no, but who cares as you say in Australia they would have no chance, you know that, Don’t you?

 

[darkendless]

That would depend, won’t it? To religious folks (an overwhelming majority) it would be compelling reason, to the minority of gay and Godless no, but who cares as you say in Australia they would have no chance, you know that, Don’t you?

Why do religious folks take it upon themselves to decide for the Godless?

Australia follows America, so at the moment no, they don't have a chance.

 

[England my lionheart]

That all and every Person and Persons that then were or afterwards should be reconciled to or shall hold Communion with the See or Church of Rome or should professe the Popish Religion or marry a Papist should be excluded and are by that Act made for ever incapable to inherit possess or enjoy the Crown and Government of this Realm and Ireland and the Dominions thereunto belonging

William III & Mary II, 1700 & 1701: An Act for the further Limitation of the Crown and better securing the Rights and Liberties of the Subject (cited as Act of Settlement 1701). Parliament of England

and that the Continuance and Preservation of the said United Church, as the established Church of England and Ireland, shall be deemed and taken to be an essential and fundamental Part of the Union

George III, 1800: An Act for the union of Great Britain and Ireland (cited as Act of Union 1800). Parliament of Great Britain; Parliament of Ireland

Both of these provisions, as I understand it, are in full effect in the United Kingdom, meaning that not only is the Church of England still the official religion, but that Catholics, and those married to Catholics, are barred from the throne.

Indeed they are and there are good reasons for this as a Catholic Regent would obey the Pope whereas our Protestant Queen is beholden to nobody.
Apart from that the Queen has no power at all and the only power is the Government
which among its members has Protestant,Catholic,Muslim etc but their religion has no bearing on the administration of power.

 

[emiliano]

Why do religious folks take it upon themselves to decide for the Godless?

Australia follows America, so at the moment no, they don't have a chance.

Oh God! :slap: They are asked by their governments, that is what a plebiscite/referendum is. They do their civil duty and you probably know voting is compulsory, the Government then proceeds in accordance to the majority will, that is the contract that they got into when they decided to be part of a civilised society. Darken/Dim the Australian government follow the will of the majority of people that elect them, the Americans don’t vote in our referendums. Not now, not ever, sooooo

 

[darkendless]

Oh God! :slap: They are asked by their governments, that is what a plebiscite/referendum is. They do their civil duty and you probably know voting is compulsory, the Government then proceeds in accordance to the majority will, that is the contract that they got into when they decided to be part of a civilised society. Darken/Dim the Australian government follow the will of the majority of people that elect them, the Americans don’t vote in our referendums. Not now, not ever, sooooo

You've said this 100 times. Why is it, that the Church and its members are allowed to vote for a right they have nothing to do with? Shouldn't the parties sit down and discuss it rather than letting your churches preach hatred? Of course they will always win because the sheep we call Christians are the majority.

We are America's lap dog, come on Emiliano your head is not that far in the sand is it?

 

[England my lionheart]

It’s funny that you said that, considering that your governance system is a Monarchy, so is our and I must say that works quite well and to the satisfaction of the majority of Australians.

I'm not sure you understand how our Country works or the Monarchy,if you know our history which as one of our former colonies perhaps you should.
The Queen has no power in Government,at the opening of Parliament yesterday she gave her opening speech,this speech was written by our Government not the Queen.
If you are still confused please ask questions.

 

[emiliano]

By the way, this is a kind of a still born baby, the OP said is has been approved. Let go back to the OP.
Sharia laws have been approved in Britain, to handle family and divorce disputes.
Is this a good or bad thing?
Well there are various good answers, to the Brit judiciary would be a good thing as it frees their judge to occupy their time on other issues of law, for Muslim it would be good because they’ll be takes their cases to a body that understand their culture.
Will the case be handled secretly or with transparency?
We have no way of knowing that.
Will it isolate the Muslim communities from the non-Muslim communities?
I think that that’s the idea. At this point I like to state that they already got this one through, so, what the point?
Will the Muslim women be disadvantaged?
Almost certain, but I believe that they will not agree to go to such courts if they fear that they will be disadvantaged.
Can the Muslim women choose to have her case handle by secular laws if she feel she'll be disadvantaged?
This one has been aptly answer, the British government guarantees protection.

 

[emiliano]

I'm not sure you understand how our Country works or the Monarchy,if you know our history which as one of our former colonies perhaps you should.
The Queen has no power in Government,at the opening of Parliament yesterday she gave her opening speech,this speech was written by our Government not the Queen.
If you are still confused please ask questions.

And How old is this reform, Australian even have a government dismissed by the crown, is that political or what?

 

[England my lionheart]

By the way, this is a kind of a still born baby, the OP said is has been approved. Let go back to the OP.
Sharia laws have been approved in Britain, to handle family and divorce disputes.
Is this a good or bad thing?
Well there are various good answers, to the Brit judiciary would be a good thing as it frees their judge to occupy their time on other issues of law, for Muslim it would be good because they’ll be takes their cases to a body that understand their culture.
Will the case be handled secretly or with transparency?
We have no way of knowing that.
Will it isolate the Muslim communities from the non-Muslim communities?
I think that that’s the idea. At this point I like to state that they already got this one through, so, what the point?
Will the Muslim women be disadvantaged?
Almost certain, but I believe that they will not agree to go to such courts if they fear that they will be disadvantaged.
Can the Muslim women choose to have her case handle by secular laws if she feel she'll be disadvantaged?
This one has been aptly answer, the British government guarantees protection.

Sharia law has no special permission as it must work within a framework so whether you are a witch,Christian or any faith you can practice arbitration,nobody can be compelled to go to a Sharia court and it has no Judical powers.

 

[England my lionheart]

Hands up everyone who wants to be tried by Sharia law

BBC NEWS (27 October 2008):

A woman in Somalia has been stoned to death
after an Islamic Sharia law court found her
guilty of adultery.

The woman was buried up to her neck and then
pelted to death with stones in front of a
large crowd in Kismayo.

It was the first such execution in the
southern port city since Islamist insurgents
captured it from government-allied forces in
August.

A local Islamist leader said the woman, Aisho
Ibrahim Dhuhulow, had pleaded guilty to
committing adultery.

"She was asked several times to review her
confession but she stressed that she wanted
Sharia law and the deserved punishment to
apply," said Sheikh Hayakallah.

A group of men performed the execution in one
of the city's main squares in front of
thousands of people, AFP news agency said.

 

[England my lionheart]

Sharia: militant "Islamic" justice

Just imagine living in an Islamic state and being tried for anything under Sharia law,i have seen some bad things in my life but the administration Sharia law is up there with the very worst,is it then any wonder that the majority of right thinking people in the west reject it.

 

[England my lionheart]

And How old is this reform, Australian even have a government dismissed by the crown, is that political or what?

In what way is it political

 

[emiliano]

In what way is it political

The British Monarch is the sovereign ruler of many countries, and when our government attempted to govern in contradiction to the constitution it was dismissed, governments are political institution are they not? If the Monarch has the power to dismiss them, it has political powers, that is, it can act in politic, actually is the watchdog of it propriety. But as I said Australian a quite happy that this is the case.
As for Shari Law the majority of people are happy with it in the countries were it applies. You said the woman wanted to be executed, so what is the purpose of your story?

 

[England my lionheart]

Of course Sharia law could not be practiced like this in the UK as it has no Judical power but i wonder why anyone would want to be associated with this administration when it clearly shows how backward it is.
If we could be tried by Sharia law in the UK many of us including myself would be hanging from a lampost or worse,all of us would lose all the basic rights we have ,freedom of speech,freedom of religion,Gendre ,Human rights,and either pay a Tax (Jizyah) or die if we wanted to practice a religion other than the Muslim faith.
Homosexuals would definately suffer and Muslims who converted to any other religion would be dead.
So i ask again hands up who really wants Sharia Law?

 

[England my lionheart]

The British Monarch is the sovereign ruler of many countries, and when our government attempted to govern in contradiction to the constitution it was dismissed, governments are political institution are they not? If the Monarch has the power to dismiss them, it has political powers, that is, it can act in politic, actually is the watchdog of it propriety. But as I said Australian a quite happy that this is the case.
As for Shari Law the majority of people are happy with it in the countries were it applies. You said the woman wanted to be executed, so what is the purpose of your story?

OK lets look at it like this,how many times do you see the Queen debating in the house of commons or Lords,answer never,howmany times has the Queen ran to be a member of Parliament =0,the Queen opens and closes Parliament and thats it.
Who passes bills in the house,elected MPs do that not the Queen.
As regards Sharia Law and people being happy with it where it applies perhaps a visit to Saudhi or Iran would open your eyes.

 

[emiliano]

OK lets look at it like this,how many times do you see the Queen debating in the house of commons or Lords,answer never,howmany times has the Queen ran to be a member of Parliament =0,the Queen opens and closes Parliament and thats it.
Who passes bills in the house,elected MPs do that not the Queen.
As regards Sharia Law and people being happy with it where it applies perhaps a visit to Saudhi or Iran would open your eyes.

So the majority of their people are against it, how do they retain power?
Why is there a need for continious accupation, why is it that Afganistan is been lost? Do they see our democracies as something disarable? Is the Iranian government popular among it people?

 

[kai]

So the majority of their people are against it, how do they retain power? IMHO,A mixture of fear,dogma,propoganda and a political system that doesnt give much room for an opposition.
Why is there a need for continious accupation, Where to?

why is it that Afganistan is been lost? Lost who lost it?

Do they see our democracies as something disarable? I dont think many people who have Lived in a country where the media etc is contoled by the state, or have never seen a democracy would even know how it works

Is the Iranian government popular among it people? How would we know, do you think we could take a poll?

and by the way the Queen is a kind of figurehead, she is the instrument of the country to open close parliament etc,